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People of Merthyr give Ian Duncan Smith a reality check

Gromit said:
I'm still waiting for my life to have been improved by a captain of industry making another 6 million pound bonus.
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This why you fail. While you wait, Bob Diamond works. ;)

I had this argument with an American cretin on another forum the other day, where he was saying the reason Donald Trump is so rich is because he's not like other people, he can get by on 3 hours sleep, he's just much more driven than the rest of us. I pointed out the only way he wasn't normal is that him & his 5 siblings were left £300 million dollars when their daddy snuffed it, and then he shut the fuck up.
 
Steel☼Icarus said:
This why you fail. While you wait, Bob Diamond works. ;)

I had this argument with an American cretin on another forum the other day, where he was saying the reason Donald Trump is so rich is because he's not like other people, he can get by on 3 hours sleep, he's just much more driven than the rest of us. I pointed out the only way he wasn't normal is that him & his 5 siblings were left £300 million dollars when their daddy snuffed it, and then he shut the fuck up.
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Trump isn't like most of us. He's a fucking nutter for a start.
 
Steel☼Icarus said:
This why you fail. While you wait, Bob Diamond works. ;)

I had this argument with an American cretin on another forum the other day, where he was saying the reason Donald Trump is so rich is because he's not like other people, he can get by on 3 hours sleep, he's just much more driven than the rest of us. I pointed out the only way he wasn't normal is that him & his 5 siblings were left £300 million dollars when their daddy snuffed it, and then he shut the fuck up.
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A good point, well made.
 
Steel☼Icarus said:
This why you fail. While you wait, Bob Diamond works. ;)
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Let me put it another way. I fail to see how me making 6 million would benefit the unemployed of Merthyr Tydfil.

Especially as they don't have any Picaso's or Bugati Veyrons hanging aroung to sell me on Gumtree.

At last a local millionaire for me to flog this Van Gogh I've had hanging around in my attic!
 
LLETSA said:
Most of your posts seem to consist of vacuous statements like 'Who can say?' or 'You've got to keep hoping.'

Have you ever thought about working for Barack Obama?
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Have you ever thought of acquiring some positive personality traits?
Y'know,like, at least....ONE?
you'd find the change refreshing.
Idon't have time to post longer,more detailed posts,currently
 
flicy said:
These cuts have nothing to do with the ability to have feelings, they are to do with the survival of this country & it's services of any kind. Blame the incompetent government that took us from the 4th largest ecconomy in the world to a near trillion in debt & public spending 25% more than the country earns. If this government doesn't cut this deficit you could end up being a whole lot worse off regardless who was in power. Labour pontificating from the sidelines on how to undo the mess they have left this country in without it effecting people is so unrealistic as to make me doubt the intelligence of those who swallow it hook line & sinker. If you listen to what they say instead of hearing only what you want to hear Labour are saying they would make exactly the same cuts in public spending, but over 7 years instead of 5. Big deal! do you really think 2 years is going to make one dot of difference other than increasing the massive interest on our deficit for longer. You make me sick, you are like spoiled children, common sense tells you that if you are grossly in debt & spending 25% more than you earn you would have to drastically cut your spending. But so long as it only effects someone else & not you is all I hear. There is not one form of cut that the government has announced that has not been apposed by the left. What do you think is going to get us out of the mess we are in, wishful thinking. No government wants to make cuts, raise taxes, or do anything that effects people. But sometimes they have absolutely no choice in the matter. You can be complacent about our national debt & deficit, because we have not quite gone over the edge like Ireland or Greece, but make no mistake we teetered & are far from out of the woods yet. Failure to reverse our fiscal dilemma could result in hardship such as you could never imagine in this country. So grow up.
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thankyou for telling me about hardship that I can't imagine, pampered fool.
 
phildwyer said:
It is ironic that capitalists always present themselves as hard-headed realists, because the world of money, credit and debt to which the constantly appeal is made up entirely of fantasy and imagination and has no existence at all in the real world.
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I agree with you on that :)
 
Streathamite said:
Have you ever thought of acquiring some positive personality traits?
Y'know,like, at least....ONE?
you'd find the change refreshing.
Idon't have time to post longer,more detailed posts,currently
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Do you equate pessimism with a lack of positive personality traits?
 
Jeff Robinson said:
Of course the fucking bastard doesn't so much need a reality check as a pneumatic drill rammed into his tory vermin skull. But this is an excellent documentary nonetheless:

If the coalition government had even the slightest ability to experience human emotion (which they don't) they would commit collective suicide today for being such uncaring, inhumane scum.
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Indeed! Thanks for posting.
 
LLETSA said:
And its power has now begun to undermine our very life support systems, and even those charged with running the show can do nothing about it.
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I get the impression (although there are many far wiser then me on this thread) that they don't want to.
 
Global Stoner said:
I get the impression (although there are many far wiser then me on this thread) that they don't want to.
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Some of them probably think they do, but they're like those medieval kings who would carry out some form of penance one day a year and then go on feasting and having enemies stretched on the rack the rest of the year.
 
LLETSA said:
And its power has now begun to undermine our very life support systems, and even those charged with running the show can do nothing about it.
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Those in power, even those who want to challenge the excesses of the system, are highly constrained by wider structural impediments, but that doesnt mean civil society cannot be mobilised to win certain wars of position. Take for example the recent mobilisations against the forest sell offs and their success in stopping the government's plans dead in the water, or going back to the paradigm example of the Poll tax. With regard to benefit reforms, it is tricky because western elites have been able to win public support for such proposals by constructing the myth of the lazy scrounger feeding off the tax payer. The Merthyr film is a fantastic dissection of that myth, giving context and voice to those who are routinely demonised by our political elites and their sockpuppets in the corporate press. One part of the solution surely must be these sort of public awareness raising exercises. As long as there is a large degree of public support for these policies there is little chance of being able to build an effective campiagn against them imo.
 
Jeff Robinson said:
Those in power, even those who want to challenge the excesses of the system, are highly constrained by wider structural impediments, but that doesnt mean civil society cannot be mobilised to win certain wars of position. Take for example the recent mobilisations against the forest sell offs and their success in stopping the government's plans dead in the water, or going back to the paradigm example of the Poll tax. With regard to benefit reforms, it is tricky because western elites have been able to win public support for such proposals by constructing the myth of the lazy scrounger feeding off the tax payer. The Merthyr film is a fantastic dissection of that myth, giving context and voice to those who are routinely demonised by our political elites and their sockpuppets in the corporate press. One part of the solution surely must be these sort of public awareness raising exercises. As long as there is a large degree of public support for these policies there is little chance of being able to build an effective campiagn against them imo.
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I agree that certain victories are possile. What I think may have slipped into history is the ability to challenge the system as a whole, which as you say, has become so complex that it evades the control of even those inside the system who wish to curb its exesses.
 
LLETSA said:
I agree that certain victories are possile. What I think may have slipped into history is the ability to challenge the system as a whole, which as you say, has become so complex that it evades the control of even those inside the system who wish to curb its exesses.
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I think that might be a case of not seeing the wood for the trees as it were. If certain victories are possible and those certain victories become multiple victories and those multiple victories become routine then that in turn leads to a shift in the relation of social forces such as to build the basis for the construction of an alternative system. There is no one overaching strategy or blueprint that be plucked out of the air as the basis for the creation of a new system imo, such a system can only be contructed out of a spectrum of resistance that succeeds in become increasingly homogeneous and united. It may look bleak now, but it must've looked far bleaker in Latin America in the late 1990s and huge strides have been made since then in a number of countries imo.
 
It's true: revolutionary change is usually unexpected. If people expected it, they'd prevent it from happening. And there's a chance that the capitalists may be getting over-confident. Still, I doubt that the major threat to capital will come from the Western proletariat.
 
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