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sovietwave
What's Mandela got to do with my mum?
People getting racially abused because of the referendum result
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bimble
floofy
I don't know.
What has Nelson Mandella got to do with your mum?
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sovietwave
Why mention him?
bimble
floofy
Because I thought it was him what first said "We are citizens of the world".
I was wrong, he just borrowed it from Socrates.
Anyway, Mrs May said the other day that "If you think you are a citizen of the world you are a citizen of nowhere" .
So that's the point. She said that because of brexit. It was, I think, a surprising thing to say, and a sad one.
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sovietwave
Not simplistic sneering then.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
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sovietwave
Such innocence.
bimble
floofy
seventh bullet Anyone who expresses any concern about the way in which the current administration is interpreting the referendum result is actually just 'sneering' and calling all leave voters thick racist cunts?
So basically May's and Rudd's recent speeches must not be criticised in any way. Right.
So basically May's and Rudd's recent speeches must not be criticised in any way. Right.
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sovietwave
Yep. Exactly.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Parochialism, that's what she's promoting. Insularism is the in thing right now, it seems.
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sovietwave
Is it?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
It seems that way to me.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Complacent to just say 'is it?' A massively depressing poll was posted earlier either on this thread or on another in which people who voted to leave were asked if they would accept a pay cut in order to reduce immigration. Regardless of whether or not they actually would when it comes down to it, more than 60 percent said they would. Only 30 percent said they wouldn't. You, and many other leave supporters on here, are probably in that 30 percent, but if so, you're in a minority, and your voice is not the one that is being listened to.
It is these kinds of numbers that have driven the govt's response so far - they've been very clear that 'brexit means brexit' means closing previously open borders to reduce immigration. Given that the UK is an island, 'insularism' seems a pretty apt term for such a thing.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Can't argue with the facts
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
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sovietwave
Has there been another poll where immigration was not the top reason for voting to leave? And what is this 'probably'? We're all suspect.
CRI
Registered Chooser
Racist attack? Uh, no.
"Aleksandra Mut, 23, and younger sister Angelika Mut, 20, went berserk after two men they were with began making flirty comments towards the three women at the end of a night out."
Women attacking women their dates flirt with isn't very noble, but it's motivated by jealousy, not racism (and probably fueled by plenty alcohol.) It wouldn't have been racism unless the women they beat up weren't white and the article doesn't say. There's no such thing as reverse racism, or reverse xenophobia, Chrisake.
Brexit was a side issue in a row between two drunken neighbours that escalated. The perp had previous for violence.
Two neighbours, Keating and Dunn, start arguing in the shared garden of their sheltered accommodation. First it was about Brexit, then about Keating leaving the taps on and flooding other residents' flats. Dunn started battering Keating, who later died.
"A pathologist concluded that Mr Keating had died from positional asphyxia and intoxication through consumption of alcohol, methadone and cannabis."
"At the time, Dunn was on bail for smashing up his friend’s flat in Miles Platting with a hammer, before hitting him with it in July 2015. The victim suffered a fractured collarbone, a broken rib, a punctured lung and ‘massive’ bruising."
Dunn, 62, was locked up for four years and five months at Manchester Crown Court after admitting assault occasioning actual bodily harm against Mr Keating.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Racist attack? Uh, no.
"Aleksandra Mut, 23, and younger sister Angelika Mut, 20, went berserk after two men they were with began making flirty comments towards the three women at the end of a night out."
Women attacking women their dates flirt with isn't very noble, but it's motivated by jealousy, not racism (and probably fueled by plenty alcohol.) It wouldn't have been racism unless the women they beat up weren't white and the article doesn't say. There's no such thing as reverse racism, or reverse xenophobia, Chrisake.
What is it then?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
What's the point that's being made here?
CRI
Registered Chooser
Um, I said what it is in the post, "it's motivated by jealousy." They attacked three women their dates were flirting with. The salacious headline suggests they just battered some women randomly in a racist attack. Nasty and not acceptable, but the paper clearly has an agenda trying to make it all about racism, against white English people of course.
CRI
Registered Chooser
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Are there any stats for how many arrests and convictions have been made over this time?
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Women attacking women their dates flirt with isn't very noble, but it's motivated by jealousy, not racism (and probably fueled by plenty alcohol.) It wouldn't have been racism unless the women they beat up weren't white and the article doesn't say. There's no such thing as reverse racism, or reverse xenophobia, Chrisake.
Sorry but what the actual fuck?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's always tricky with these kinds of stats. Recorded racist crimes have gone up every year in the period covered. Does that mean there have been more racist attacks over that period? Probably not, tbh - just either that more attacks are being reported or, more likely, that the police are becoming increasingly more likely to record particular instances as racially aggravated.
That said, the figures for this year show a different shape and that pronounced spike following the referendum won't be down to changing police practices.
That said, the figures for this year show a different shape and that pronounced spike following the referendum won't be down to changing police practices.
ska invita
back on the other side
seemed like it was a jealousy motivated attack no?
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
With a nationalist element thrown in, no? Which makes it officially a hate crime
And from the link CRI provided above:
So if the women who were attacked (or any other person) perceive this to be a hate crime, it is.
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