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People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

CRI said:
Well, show me the right end of this stick that I can't seem to see then.

I am seeing some folk poo pooing of stats, accounts, etc. of racism and xenophobia and some links to dodgy stories that try to make out that abuse of white English folk / leave voters is as bad or worse than racist and xenophobic attacks and squirming and whining when anyone suggests that in voting leave, they would be bed fellows with the EDL and their ilk.
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What? That's an insane interpretation of this thread.
 
J Ed said:
If the answer to this is yes, I would argue that if a person is capable of xenophobia then their worldview is not necessarily going to be entirely transformed when they leave one country and enter another.

I am not saying any of this to justify any sort of xenophobia, I think that the way that the incident has been described in the local paper is disgusting and only a fool would think that it wasn't deliberately designed to whip up xenophobia but equally I think what you are suggesting isn't true either.
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Glad to hear that at least you can see through the agenda of that article.

Yep, I agree a person can be racist, but can still be a victim of xenophobia. Even if you're the former doesn't mean the latter is acceptable.
 
Shit, this was one of the few places on t'interwebs I thought there'd be at least a basic understanding/acceptance of structural oppression - enough at least so you don't have to keep saying "Not all white people/Brexiters/men/straight people/etc." to qualify every other statement. Nope :(
 
J Ed said:
I was literally the first person to post about how shitty it was.
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I feel like a fucking hippy here. But yes, CRI, you're wrong to jump on J ED for this.

tbh this is really a bit of an obvious point. Of course this will happen. If tensions between races/nationalities are increased, there will be incidents from both sides. Of course there will. Doesn't change who raised the tensions in the first place, though.
 
CRI said:
Okay okay, I saw that. I'll leave a plate of cookies for all the good guys and leave now.
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See once again you're descending to the level of twitter politics, with all the cliched phrases of the student intersectionalist. If you're going to patronise people with statements such as "I thought there'd be at least a basic understanding/acceptance of structural oppression", then you should at least up your game and start debating at that level. All I've seen from you so far are crappy #hashtag retorts. It's vapid and childish.
 
bimble said:
no. I'm not sneering. I'm a bit scared about the fact that she said it and felt that it was the right thing to say to please the people that she thinks voted leave.
How do you feel about her saying that ?
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On a personal level? Seeing the remarks emanating from Hollande, Tusk et al, all designed to damage the UK and to protect their national interests, the racism pouring out of the likes of Hungary? she's probably right,
Personally, I love the idea of a world indifferent to flags, colour or nationality, pity the Eurocrats wanted it in their political lifetimes rather than allow it to develop organically.
The common market, allowed to develop naturally, step by step over decades could have been an inspiration to the world, but its failure, the catastrophe of the Euro, the castration of Greece and now Brexit, will have sown the seeds of Nationalism and protectionism far and wide.
 
J Ed said:
If the answer to this is yes, I would argue that if a person is capable of xenophobia then their worldview is not necessarily going to be entirely transformed when they leave one country and enter another.

I am not saying any of this to justify any sort of xenophobia, I think that the way that the incident has been described in the local paper is disgusting and only a fool would think that it wasn't deliberately designed to whip up xenophobia but equally I think what you are suggesting isn't true either.
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Men pelt worshippers at a mosque with BACON just before evening prayers
 
I'm sure the perpetrators of this attack would be a bit annoyed to find that this attack wasn't racist. And they'd surely be absolutely horrified to discover that they, in fact, could not perpetrate a racist attack in this country if they tried, that they are actually unable to no matter how hard they may wish to. They have to 'go home' to do that.

And i reckon a load of white w/c racists would be very happy to have the same logic applied to them - that, as members of the class whose exploitation this society is based on - nothing they do can actually be racist.

Fuck me, some shit posted last night eh?
 
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littlebabyjesus said:
I feel like a fucking hippy here. But yes, CRI, you're wrong to jump on J ED for this.

tbh this is really a bit of an obvious point. Of course this will happen. If tensions between races/nationalities are increased, there will be incidents from both sides. Of course there will. Doesn't change who raised the tensions in the first place, though.
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They started it, the refrain of the playground.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
I feel like a fucking hippy here. But yes, CRI, you're wrong to jump on J ED for this.

tbh this is really a bit of an obvious point. Of course this will happen. If tensions between races/nationalities are increased, there will be incidents from both sides. Of course there will. Doesn't change who raised the tensions in the first place, though.
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Not to mention there aren't two sides, it's nearer the hobbesian state of nature - all against all - than a cricket or football match.
 
When heavily traumatised young people leave everything behind and trek a perilous journey across a continent in the hope of a new and safer life, freer from chaos and maybe want, please spare a thought for the real victims - the special snowflakes in this country who get so upset about it. The refugee crisis isnt really a crisis for refugees at all, they are having a grand old time I expect. Those in crisis are the spoiled and bitter oddballs, inadequates spouting phoney patriotism and swallowing the bilge of billionaires hate rags.
 
Actually, taffboy gwyrdd, that whole post reminds me of a song, but what song, and by whom, I don't know. <tries to remember> Perhaps loads of songs of the same truth. :( Old songs of hunger and pain that still need be again.
 
All these people made racist because of brexit? You reckon the cunt with the plank of wood was a shy, retiring, libdem-voting carebear before someone suggested leaving the EU? Bull fucking shit!
 
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