People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

[JimW]

I see they have some bloke as witness for this incident but apparently the basic story has done the rounds before in various versions, e.g. Navajo in the US: What the story of the niqab-wearing Welsh speaker tells us about what we want to hear Does come across as a bit too perfect however well meant.

 

[mojo pixy]

If that story was set in Aberystwyth I might believe it.

 

[teqniq]

I see they have some bloke as witness for this incident but apparently the basic story has done the rounds before in various versions, e.g. Navajo in the US: What the story of the niqab-wearing Welsh speaker tells us about what we want to hear Does come across as a bit too perfect however well meant.

If that story was set in Aberystwyth I might believe it.

Well ok the story may well be apocryphal in nature, however I'm willing to lend it some credence as it bought to mind another story recounted to me by a friend here in Cardiff long before any of the current unpleasantness. An Iranian woman who was known to my friend and living in the South Wales valleys had taught herself to speak Welsh fluently. She was on holiday in North Wales and upon entering a shop found herself being talked about, in Welsh in a very derogatory fashion by a couple of the locals. She joined their conversation, in Welsh thus making it abundantly clear that the language and their prejudices were known to her. Cue shocked silence.

 

[mwgdrwg]

These bloody Welsh speakers in North Wales. Always talking about you in Welsh behind your back, and even worse...switching from English to Welsh when you walk into the pub.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Len McCluskey, Unite leader, has fallen in to the trap of having a go at migration.

Trotting out the tired cliche of "listening to working people" he has opposed free movement. He was careful to oppose racism in doing so but he has a problem:

He uses the term "working people" as if referencing them all.

But what about the working people being blamed for "taking jobs", or the working people from this country who are victims of racism - assumed to be "taking our jobs" or a "burden on services"?

Does he mean the working people wishing to exercise the basic human dignity and freedom of movement?

No,he doesn't THOSE working people, but a specific demographic of working people in particular. Not that he could be being racist. He said racism is bad, so it cant be that.

How good it would be for a union leader to speak for all working people, instead of being divisive and capitulating to lazy right wing rhetoric.

 

[mojo pixy]

Well ok the story may well be apocryphal in nature, however I'm willing to lend it some credence as it bought to mind another story recounted to me by a friend here in Cardiff long before any of the current unpleasantness. An Iranian woman who was known to my friend and living in the South Wales valleys had taught herself to speak Welsh fluently. She was on holiday in North Wales and upon entering a shop found herself being talked about, in Welsh in a very derogatory fashion by a couple of the locals. She joined their conversation, in Welsh thus making it abundantly clear that the language and their prejudices were known to her. Cue shocked silence.

I've done exactly the same thing as your friend's Iranian friend; I lived and worked in Aberystwyth for some time and via evening classes I became fairly able to speak Welsh in everyday situations. I've even been guilty of breaking into it with friends when encountering annoying tourists (hey, this is what passes for fun in Machynlleth most days!)

I'm still not inclined to believe the tale in the newspaper clipping, in large part because I've read the same exact story before concerning someone speaking Navajo in the USA. I imagine there are versions of this story doing the rounds everywhere; someone criticised for speaking Catalan in Barcelona, Hokkien in Taiwan, maybe Arabic in Jerusalem.

 

[teqniq]

Muslim woman has headscarf ripped off in London hate crime attack

 

[Pickman's model]

I've done exactly the same thing as your friend's Iranian friend; I lived and worked in Aberystwyth for some time and via evening classes I became fairly able to speak Welsh in everyday situations. I've even been guilty of breaking into it with friends when encountering annoying tourists (hey, this is what passes for fun in Machynlleth most days!)

I'm still not inclined to believe the tale in the newspaper clipping, in large part because I've read the same exact story before concerning someone speaking Navajo in the USA. I imagine there are versions of this story doing the rounds everywhere; someone criticised for speaking Catalan in Barcelona, Hokkien in Taiwan, maybe Arabic in Jerusalem.

maybe because it has in fact happened in most or all of those settings.

 

[mojo pixy]

maybe because it has in fact happened in most or all of those settings.

Or maybe because people like telling the story because it gives them a warm feeling in their tummies, that they enjoy.

 

[andysays]

Len McCluskey, Unite leader, has fallen in to the trap of having a go at migration.

Trotting out the tired cliche of "listening to working people" he has opposed free movement. He was careful to oppose racism in doing so but he has a problem:

He uses the term "working people" as if referencing them all.

But what about the working people being blamed for "taking jobs", or the working people from this country who are victims of racism - assumed to be "taking our jobs" or a "burden on services"?

Does he mean the working people wishing to exercise the basic human dignity and freedom of movement?

No,he doesn't THOSE working people, but a specific demographic of working people in particular. Not that he could be being racist. He said racism is bad, so it cant be that.

How good it would be for a union leader to speak for all working people, instead of being divisive and capitulating to lazy right wing rhetoric.

I've already said on another thread that I don't agree with McCluskey resigning in order to stand again as leader and I won't be voting for him.

But if you're going to accuse him of "having a go at migration", "being divisive and capitulating to lazy right wing rhetoric", I for one would like to see a full quote of what he's said and a proper explanation of how you think he's doing all those things.

Otherwise, making this post on this thread looks like an attempt to smear someone as racist without anything to back it up, which would be a bit of a cunt's trick.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Len McCluskey, Unite leader, has fallen in to the trap of having a go at migration.

Trotting out the tired cliche of "listening to working people" he has opposed free movement. He was careful to oppose racism in doing so but he has a problem:

He uses the term "working people" as if referencing them all.

But what about the working people being blamed for "taking jobs", or the working people from this country who are victims of racism - assumed to be "taking our jobs" or a "burden on services"?

Does he mean the working people wishing to exercise the basic human dignity and freedom of movement?

No,he doesn't THOSE working people, but a specific demographic of working people in particular. Not that he could be being racist. He said racism is bad, so it cant be that.

How good it would be for a union leader to speak for all working people, instead of being divisive and capitulating to lazy right wing rhetoric.

Is any concern whatsoever with the rate of migration racist? Anything other than No Borders a slippery slope to fascism?

 

[butchersapron]

Len McCluskey, Unite leader, has fallen in to the trap of having a go at migration.

Trotting out the tired cliche of "listening to working people" he has opposed free movement. He was careful to oppose racism in doing so but he has a problem:

He uses the term "working people" as if referencing them all.

But what about the working people being blamed for "taking jobs", or the working people from this country who are victims of racism - assumed to be "taking our jobs" or a "burden on services"?

Does he mean the working people wishing to exercise the basic human dignity and freedom of movement?

No,he doesn't THOSE working people, but a specific demographic of working people in particular. Not that he could be being racist. He said racism is bad, so it cant be that.

How good it would be for a union leader to speak for all working people, instead of being divisive and capitulating to lazy right wing rhetoric.

Out of order to post this here.

 

[belboid]

I've already said on another thread that I don't agree with McCluskey resigning in order to stand again as leader and I won't be voting for him.

But if you're going to accuse him of "having a go at migration", "being divisive and capitulating to lazy right wing rhetoric", I for one would like to see a full quote of what he's said and a proper explanation of how you think he's doing all those things.

Otherwise, making this post on this thread looks like an attempt to smear someone as racist without anything to back it up, which would be a bit of a cunt's trick.

He's already demanded the G takes down and clarifies what he actually said. Tho not until he got some stick from various members

 

[andysays]

He's already demanded the G takes down and clarifies what he actually said. Tho not until he got some stick from various members

This appears to be a newish updated report of what McCluskey said here
Len McCluskey: 'Workers do best when labour supply is controlled'
Maybe taffboy gwyrdd will explain how this translates as "having a go at migration", "being divisive and capitulating to lazy right wing rhetoric"...

 

[Pickman's model]

Len McCluskey, Unite leader, has fallen in to the trap of having a go at migration.

Trotting out the tired cliche of "listening to working people" he has opposed free movement. He was careful to oppose racism in doing so but he has a problem:

He uses the term "working people" as if referencing them all.

But what about the working people being blamed for "taking jobs", or the working people from this country who are victims of racism - assumed to be "taking our jobs" or a "burden on services"?

Does he mean the working people wishing to exercise the basic human dignity and freedom of movement?

No,he doesn't THOSE working people, but a specific demographic of working people in particular. Not that he could be being racist. He said racism is bad, so it cant be that.

How good it would be for a union leader to speak for all working people, instead of being divisive and capitulating to lazy right wing rhetoric.

He doesn't WHAT 'THOSE working people'?

If you're going to post bilge at least make sure you don't omit important words.

 

[two sheds]

This appears to be a newish updated report of what McCluskey said here
Len McCluskey: 'Workers do best when labour supply is controlled'
Maybe taffboy gwyrdd will explain how this translates as "having a go at migration", "being divisive and capitulating to lazy right wing rhetoric"...

“That’s why I have called for new safeguards to stop companies cutting costs by slashing workers’ wages and transforming a race-to-the-bottom culture into a rate-for-the-job society.”

 

[redsquirrel]

Is any concern whatsoever with the rate of migration racist? Anything other than No Borders a slippery slope to fascism?

And of course "free movement" is a fiction within capitalism anyway.

 

[two sheds]

Added to the end of that article I see:

This article was amended on 16 December 2016. An earlier version stated that McCluskey had called for Unite to push for an end to the free movement of labour. While he talked of the need for a controlled supply of labour, he has since said that extending trade union organisation and collective bargaining protections are the best way to address concerns about the impact of free movement.

 

[Schmetterling]

Muslim woman has headscarf ripped off in London hate crime attack

I read that earlier on and it really upset me!

 

[Dogsauce]

Let's not forget who the real victim of hate crime is here:

Farage wants to be 'bridge' between UK and Trump - BBC News

Asked about the rise in hate crime since the referendum, the former UKIP leader said he had endured four years of "endless" death threats - and that it was not just one side of the referendum argument who had behaved badly.

He said he had received 10 death threats in the past two weeks alone.

Nigel not exactly wise to the slight nuance between someone being singled out for abuse due to things outside their control such as the colour of their skin or foreign accent, and someone being threatened and abused because they're a nailed-on cunt that deserves it.

 

[gosub]

 

[Pickman's model]

Let's not forget who the real victim of hate crime is here:

Farage wants to be 'bridge' between UK and Trump - BBC News

Nigel not exactly wise to the slight nuance between someone being singled out for abuse due to things outside their control such as the colour of their skin or foreign accent, and someone being threatened and abused because they're a nailed-on cunt that deserves it.

Let Farage be a bridge across the Atlantic. Drop him 140 miles north of the azores and let's see how well he does the job.

 

[CRI]

Theresa May 'will campaign to leave the European Convention on Human Rights in 2020 election'
The European Convention on Human Rights is a separate entity to the EU and is upheld by the European Court of Human Rights

Not surprised but

 

[gosub]

Theresa May 'will campaign to leave the European Convention on Human Rights in 2020 election'
The European Convention on Human Rights is a separate entity to the EU and is upheld by the European Court of Human Rights

Not surprised but

Don't think Mrs May will be PM in 2018 let alone 2020

 

[CRI]

Don't think Mrs May will be PM in 2018 let alone 2020

Here's hoping, but what sucks is I can't think of anyone off hand who'd be good for the job.

 

[Orang Utan]

Here's hoping, but what sucks is I can't think of anyone off hand who'd be good for the job.

there's loads, but none of them are MPs

 

[redsquirrel]

Does the Indy have anything that isn't clickbait these days. I think gosub's scarfolk link contains more actually information than this crap.

 

[CRI]

there's loads, but none of them are MPs

Well yes, good point. Can we poke them with sticks to get them to stand?

 

[Orang Utan]

Well yes, good point. Can we poke them with sticks to get them to stand?

If you want the job though, then you shouldn't have it.

 

[oryx]

there's loads, but none of them are MPs

Name names.