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People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

It's always tricky with these kinds of stats. Recorded racist crimes have gone up every year in the period covered. Does that mean there have been more racist attacks over that period? Probably not, tbh - just either that more attacks are being reported or, more likely, that the police are becoming increasingly more likely to record particular instances as racially aggravated.

That said, the figures for this year show a different shape and that pronounced spike following the referendum won't be down to changing police practices.

True, but it's also interesting to note that there has been a spike during July for every year on that chart above. Personally I think politicians and the media should take all hate crime seriously, not just those crimes that are politically useful at the time.
 
True, but it's also interesting to note that there has been a spike during July for every year on that chart above. Personally I think politicians and the media should take all hate crime seriously, not just those crimes that are politically useful at the time.
It certainly appears to be a temperature-dependent activity. Racists don't like the cold, it seems. But that spike this year is against the previous trends. No denying that.
 
It certainly appears to be a temperature-dependent activity. Racists don't like the cold, it seems. But that spike this year is against the previous trends. No denying that.

Actually this reminds me of a thread I made a few years back on Google search trends over time, and a strange cyclical pattern of people Googling for the term 'nationalism'. Nothing to do with this thread btw, just really puzzling.


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Actually this reminds me of a thread I made a few years back on Google search trends over time, and a strange cyclical pattern of people Googling for the term 'nationalism'. Nothing to do with this thread btw, just really puzzling.


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This is indeed weird and puzzling. Maybe it's something to do with election cycles. Or maybe the search tool has just gone haywire.
 
That is weird. Anything to do with school holidays?

re the seasonal variation in racist attacks, of course in winter most people - potential attackers and victims - are indoors a lot more, so they don't have such a chance to meet each other.
 
That is weird. Anything to do with school holidays?

re the seasonal variation in racist attacks, of course in winter most people - potential attackers and victims - are indoors a lot more, so they don't have such a chance to meet each other.
This ^

It's like the fluctuating reports of domestic abuse - higher in the school holidays (although I seem to recall there's a spike in people leaving abusive partners after holiday periods, perhaps when more opportunity to actually leave.)

Go on shoot me, but I'm getting sick of the constant minimising, denying, blaming and rationalising of racist, xenophobic attacks. Same tactics being used to defend the shit spewing out of Donald Trump's mouth as well. :mad:
 
This ^

It's like the fluctuating reports of domestic abuse - higher in the school holidays (although I seem to recall there's a spike in people leaving abusive partners after holiday periods, perhaps when more opportunity to actually leave.)

Go on shoot me, but I'm getting sick of the constant minimising, denying, blaming and rationalising of racist, xenophobic attacks. Same tactics being used to defend the shit spewing out of Donald Trump's mouth as well. :mad:

The only person who has denied racism on this thread is you.
 
This ^

It's like the fluctuating reports of domestic abuse - higher in the school holidays (although I seem to recall there's a spike in people leaving abusive partners after holiday periods, perhaps when more opportunity to actually leave.)

Go on shoot me, but I'm getting sick of the constant minimising, denying, blaming and rationalising of racist, xenophobic attacks. Same tactics being used to defend the shit spewing out of Donald Trump's mouth as well. :mad:

It's not that. People are not going to be googling "nationalism" en masse because they have suffered racist violence.
 
It's not that. People are not going to be googling "nationalism" en masse because they have suffered racist violence.
Soz, I meant the spike in (reported) racist attacks, not the googling of nationalism. It's a weird pattern, but there's all sorts of contexts in which you could google "nationalism," so I don't think that chart tells us much.
 
All I can see you offering is excuses for racism and xenophobia and how hurt your fee fees are when people criticise your support for leaving the EU. Boo bloody hoo.
That's not what's happening at all. You have got the wrong end of the stick massively
 
CRI just wondering, in your worldview are Polish people capable of being xenophobic if they live in Poland?
Absolutely, in Poland, a Polish person can be xenophobic towards a non Polish person or racist towards a non white person.

The article was about an incident in Manchester, England. Different context.
 
This ^

It's like the fluctuating reports of domestic abuse - higher in the school holidays (although I seem to recall there's a spike in people leaving abusive partners after holiday periods, perhaps when more opportunity to actually leave.)

Go on shoot me, but I'm getting sick of the constant minimising, denying, blaming and rationalising of racist, xenophobic attacks. Same tactics being used to defend the shit spewing out of Donald Trump's mouth as well. :mad:
That doesn't happen here much!
 
CRI just wondering, in your worldview are Polish people capable of being xenophobic if they live in Poland?

Absolutely, in Poland, a Polish person can be xenophobic towards a non Polish person or racist towards a non white person.

The article was about an incident in Manchester, England. Different context.


If the answer to this is yes, I would argue that if a person is capable of xenophobia then their worldview is not necessarily going to be entirely transformed when they leave one country and enter another.

I am not saying any of this to justify any sort of xenophobia, I think that the way that the incident has been described in the local paper is disgusting and only a fool would think that it wasn't deliberately designed to whip up xenophobia but equally I think what you are suggesting isn't true either.
 
Anyway, can we all agree that, despite the various methodological difficulties in such stats, there was a spike in racially related violence after brexit? Instead of bickering, it would be better just to agree on that. Doesn't make anybody right, it's just an unpleasant thing that has happened and it's really not worth arguing over whether it's happened. There's enough anecdotal evidence to support the stats, from me and my friends here in London and also from others who've posted here. It has happened.
 
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I'm not even suggesting that we should take this a tenth as seriously as xenophobic attacks by Brits against Polish people, because I don't think we should and it is clearly is so much less of an issue, but still it is unfair to entirely dismiss an attack in which someone used someone else's nationality pejoratively as being motivated simply by jealousy. That is wrong too.
 
If the answer to this is yes, I would argue that if a person is capable of xenophobia then their worldview is not necessarily going to be entirely transformed when they leave one country and enter another.

I am not saying any of this to justify any sort of xenophobia, I think that the way that the incident has been described in the local paper is disgusting and only a fool would think that it wasn't deliberately designed to whip up xenophobia but equally I think what you are suggesting isn't true either.
I really hate the id politics angle of arguing over who's capable of what. Everyone is capable of bigotry, including racism and xenophobia, wherever they are. The absurd redefining of racism, for instance, so that certain groups can't be racist is patently absurd. Can we take that as a given?
 
I'm not even suggesting that we should take this a tenth as seriously as xenophobic attacks by Brits against Polish people, because I don't think we should and it is clearly is so much less of an issue, but still it is unfair to entirely dismiss an attack in which someone used someone else's nationality pejoratively as being motivated simply by jealousy. That is wrong too.
Yep. Agreed. And do some Polish people have really dodgy attitudes? Of course they do.
 
We don't really understand globalisation and Neoliberal ideas but it seems to be hurting us, so fuck off.
I think there was a lot of that. And the 'fuck off' option was clearly 'leave'. I don't blame people for doing that - 'now is shit, this is change, bring on the change, particularly as a load of cunts want no change' is not an unreasonable position - the failure is elsewhere.
 
That's not what's happening at all. You have got the wrong end of the stick massively
Well, show me the right end of this stick that I can't seem to see then.

I am seeing some folk poo pooing of stats, accounts, etc. of racism and xenophobia and some links to dodgy stories that try to make out that abuse of white English folk / leave voters is as bad or worse than racist and xenophobic attacks and squirming and whining when anyone suggests that in voting leave, they would be bed fellows with the EDL and their ilk.
 
I wish I could find someone who does understand globalisation and neoliberalism 100%, if you find someone please let the rest of us know
Good point. My point would be that many people voting essentially 'fuck you' probably had no particular idea about what post-Brexit Britain would be. Any referendum is always to an extent a test of how many people are happy with the status quo.
 
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