People getting racially abused because of the referendum result
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Don't think it's a murder charge, but there is a charge for deliberately killing an unborn child. And the penalty is a life sentence.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If he knew she was pregnant and kicked her in the stomach, that strikes me as already enough to show it was deliberate.
Don't think you can avoid a murder conviction by claiming you stabbed someone but weren't intending to kill them - I aimed to miss the heart... This seems about equivalent.
Treacle Toes
Time
The article doesn't say how far along she was in her pregnancy so that will surely have a bearing on whether he knew or not.
Regardless, a grade A cunt who followed her out of the shop after she ignored his initial racial abuse. He was clearly looking for a victim.
Regardless, a grade A cunt who followed her out of the shop after she ignored his initial racial abuse. He was clearly looking for a victim.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Firstly, you can do so, it becomes manslaughter. Secondly, a murder (or manslaughter) charge would mean abortion became illegal. It's 'child destruction' - tho it's very hard to prove apparently-
"If an attacker's intention was to harm an unborn baby rather than kill it, or if they wanted to hurt or kill its mother, the law doesn't recognise any offence against the unborn child." (from the Beeb)
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Coming over here, patrolling our streets...
infide1castr0
A Lazy Journalist
How much jurisdiction are Polish police allowed to exercise in UK/England/Essex? Or is this more of a symbolic move by Warsaw?
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Police exchanges like this have been going on between EU countries for years. It's just a way of creating contacts between the police forces in different countries and giving trainee officers an opportunity to work in a range of different environments. There is no jurisdictional power as they are guests.
The RT article doesn't mention this context of course, as it's not as sensationalist as imagining there has been a crack team of Polish law enforcers parachuted into Essex to fight off the fascist hoards.
infide1castr0
A Lazy Journalist
Fascinating, I had no idea this programme existed, especially not for some time as well... Shame that sensationalism is the language of journalism these days, this has more of a story behind it in my opinion, something that reminds you that societies have to function and coexist in many real ways, not just be assumed as stable.
Cheers for the insight.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I don't think it is quite equivalent, because for murder you need the intent to kill or do grievous bodily harm. Whereas for child desruction, there must be the intention to kill the foetus. That's not to say that if the death wasn't almost inevitable, a court could infer oblique intention. But that would be more difficult, and turn on whether or not be realised she was pregnant etc.
But, a far bigger issue is that child desruction only applies to viable foetuses, so wouldn't be a possible charge unless it was late in the pregnancy. Strangely, if the child has been born alive but later died as a result of the attack, it'd probably be manslaughter.
ska invita
back on the other side
another lucky to tell the tale... so easily could have died if that cut an artery
i cant see any end to this....in fact it seems to be snowballing.
considering polish is the second language of the uk, and poles the biggest migrant population, thats a lot of people now scared for their lives to speak in public
i cant see any end to this....in fact it seems to be snowballing.
considering polish is the second language of the uk, and poles the biggest migrant population, thats a lot of people now scared for their lives to speak in public
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Lurdan
old wave
The reporting of the attack on the pregnant woman and her husband in Bletchley has been pretty terrible. Here's the Times version which gives a great deal more detail
She was apparently two weeks pregnant with twins, and although it's not entirely clear from this report, it may be that she only discovered this after she was admitted to hospital following the attack.
As the report states it was over a month before the Police released stills from the CCTV footage of the attack. (I wonder if they only got around to doing so because by then she had lost the twins). The cunt who has been arrested was identified within hours.
Expectant mother lost twins after ‘racially motivated’ car park attack
Fariha Karim | John Simpson, Crime Correspondent
September 15 2016, 12:01am, The Times
A Somalian woman who was kicked and punched in her stomach in a supermarket car park lost twins after the alleged racially aggravated attack, according to community leaders.
The 34-year-old woman, who has three children, is a Muslim and wears a headscarf. She was said to have been two weeks pregnant when she was approached by a man who allegedly began racially abusing her and calling her a “terrorist” inside the Co-op store in Bletchley, Milton Keynes. The man followed the mother to her car and allegedly beat her up. Her 40-year-old husband was also said to have been attacked with a bottle and a bag of ice.
The woman and her family have asked not to be named, having lived in fear of retaliation over the past month, friends say.
Yesterday, as a 37-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of racially aggravated assault, community leaders criticised the response of Thames Valley police. The force released a CCTV image of a suspect on Tuesday, more than a month after the attack, on August 6.
Within hours, neighbours of David Gallacher, of Bletchley, reported him to the police, with one resident, Zoe Jayne, posting his details on social media. He is in custody.
A Nisa convenience store, opposite where the woman was assaulted, said that it had had clear CCTV footage of the incident, but that it was automatically wiped after 30 days and police had not asked to see it.
The attack took place within sight of a mosque that was firebombed, had a pig’s head thrown on the roof and was the target of attacks by the far right, including the British National Party and the English Defence League, after its conversion from a pub three years ago.
Mohammed Khan, a councillor for Bletchley East, said that racial tensions in Milton Keynes had risen after the EU referendum result in June.
He said that after the couple were attacked they had to wait an hour for an ambulance.
“When she eventually arrived at [Milton Keynes general] hospital, she had to wait two or three hours before a surgeon would see her.”
He said that a scan taken just over a week after her admittance to hospital had revealed signs of two unborn children. However, she went to see her GP days after the scan because she had been bleeding and the GP confirmed that she was no longer pregnant.
Mr Khan added that despite what she had been through, the mother was “bearing up”.
Thames Valley police said that the timing of their response was governed by when they had been able to acquire and view security camera footage. A spokeswoman said this could often take time, which delayed release of the images to the media. “Thankfully in this investigation Thames Valley police officers managed to obtain good quality CCTV which we were able to publish as an appeal this week.
“As a result of this appeal a 37-year-old man from Milton Keynes was arrested on suspicion of racially aggravated assault.” Milton Keynes general hospital said that it would not comment on individual cases.
Fariha Karim | John Simpson, Crime Correspondent
September 15 2016, 12:01am, The Times
A Somalian woman who was kicked and punched in her stomach in a supermarket car park lost twins after the alleged racially aggravated attack, according to community leaders.
The 34-year-old woman, who has three children, is a Muslim and wears a headscarf. She was said to have been two weeks pregnant when she was approached by a man who allegedly began racially abusing her and calling her a “terrorist” inside the Co-op store in Bletchley, Milton Keynes. The man followed the mother to her car and allegedly beat her up. Her 40-year-old husband was also said to have been attacked with a bottle and a bag of ice.
The woman and her family have asked not to be named, having lived in fear of retaliation over the past month, friends say.
Yesterday, as a 37-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of racially aggravated assault, community leaders criticised the response of Thames Valley police. The force released a CCTV image of a suspect on Tuesday, more than a month after the attack, on August 6.
Within hours, neighbours of David Gallacher, of Bletchley, reported him to the police, with one resident, Zoe Jayne, posting his details on social media. He is in custody.
A Nisa convenience store, opposite where the woman was assaulted, said that it had had clear CCTV footage of the incident, but that it was automatically wiped after 30 days and police had not asked to see it.
The attack took place within sight of a mosque that was firebombed, had a pig’s head thrown on the roof and was the target of attacks by the far right, including the British National Party and the English Defence League, after its conversion from a pub three years ago.
Mohammed Khan, a councillor for Bletchley East, said that racial tensions in Milton Keynes had risen after the EU referendum result in June.
He said that after the couple were attacked they had to wait an hour for an ambulance.
“When she eventually arrived at [Milton Keynes general] hospital, she had to wait two or three hours before a surgeon would see her.”
He said that a scan taken just over a week after her admittance to hospital had revealed signs of two unborn children. However, she went to see her GP days after the scan because she had been bleeding and the GP confirmed that she was no longer pregnant.
Mr Khan added that despite what she had been through, the mother was “bearing up”.
Thames Valley police said that the timing of their response was governed by when they had been able to acquire and view security camera footage. A spokeswoman said this could often take time, which delayed release of the images to the media. “Thankfully in this investigation Thames Valley police officers managed to obtain good quality CCTV which we were able to publish as an appeal this week.
“As a result of this appeal a 37-year-old man from Milton Keynes was arrested on suspicion of racially aggravated assault.” Milton Keynes general hospital said that it would not comment on individual cases.
She was apparently two weeks pregnant with twins, and although it's not entirely clear from this report, it may be that she only discovered this after she was admitted to hospital following the attack.
As the report states it was over a month before the Police released stills from the CCTV footage of the attack. (I wonder if they only got around to doing so because by then she had lost the twins). The cunt who has been arrested was identified within hours.
Treacle Toes
Time
Did you even read the article? Far from being sensationalist and implying that 'there has been a crack team of Polish law enforcers parachuted into Essex to fight off the fascist hoards.' as you put it it was very clear about the role of these officers would be... It also mentions another two that are on the very programme/context you state it didn't mention
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Hoards never fight.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
infide1castr0
A Lazy Journalist
I think that what ItWillNeverWork was trying to say was that the article didn't normalize a police exchange like this, it reads as though this is a scared response to these attacks. With calls that the EU does not have enough union sounding as though it can't get its own problems sorted out. Just my view, though.Did you even read the article? Far from being sensationalist and implying that 'there has been a crack team of Polish law enforcers parachuted into Essex to fight off the fascist hoards.' as you put it it was very clear about the role of these officers would be... It also mentions another two that are on the very programme/context you state it didn't mention
infide1castr0
A Lazy Journalist
^I think that, in the minds of these people, sovereignty is about immigration
And more so just receiving immigration. Visa-free travel for Brits seems to be expected by a lot of Leave voters
gosub
~#
The UKIP lot, what did you expect, though their membership has fallen considerably, of the tories, well they may be vocal but their is only six of them.
Don't trigger Article 50 until 1/6/17.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They don't need membership. They haven'y gone away
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Travel and immigration are different things. When I visit the Philippines I just show up at border control, tell them I'm planning to stay 2 weeks and they stamp my passport. If I told them I plan to stay indefinitely the process is a bit more complicated.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
EUKIP borders. Try it non EU.
ska invita
back on the other side
heard that there was a small but "made themselves present" polish far right contingent on the Harlow march...in the absence of a united multicultural response to this shit the far right are best positioned to profit from this...on both the Polish and British side
Stand up to Racism have their annual conference in a couple of weeks
<shame to see no Polish/eastern european speakers invited, though there is a session somewhere in amongst it on "Brexit: Defend Migrant Rights & freedom of movement" tbf
seems like Stand UP is the only game in town on this atm (and as i said upthread im dubious of their swp position on this)
Stand up to Racism have their annual conference in a couple of weeks
<shame to see no Polish/eastern european speakers invited, though there is a session somewhere in amongst it on "Brexit: Defend Migrant Rights & freedom of movement" tbf
seems like Stand UP is the only game in town on this atm (and as i said upthread im dubious of their swp position on this)
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