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People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

Acchhh. I wish this stuff were reported better. What about areas with a strong vote to remain? What are their numbers? Some will be quite up, I would have thought.

And many of these will be small numbers increasing, meaning a larger percentage to report. Where are the overall numbers, and their increase and the areas with strong remain also reporting increases? What was Lincolnshire compared to London before, for instance? I'd be very surprised if more hate crimes had been reported per person in Lincolnshire than London before brexit.

Not good. There's not enough information in those reports. And if they have a good case, that's doubly a shame. Shame on them for reporting it so badly.

I don't doubt that hate crime is on the up, but this is not the way to report it.
 
Acchhh. I wish this stuff were reported better. What about areas with a strong vote to remain? What are their numbers? Some will be quite up, I would have thought.

And many of these will be small numbers increasing, meaning a larger percentage to report. Where are the overall numbers, and their increase and the areas with strong remain also reporting increases? What was Lincolnshire compared to London before, for instance? I'd be very surprised if more hate crimes had been reported per person in Lincolnshire than London before brexit.

Not good. There's not enough information in those reports. And if they have a good case, that's doubly a shame. Shame on them for reporting it so badly.

I don't doubt that hate crime is on the up, but this is not the way to report it.
yeah looked for a better source, but the indy seem to have done the research so couldnt see anwyhere else to go
 
yeah looked for a better source, but the indy seem to have done the research so couldnt see anwyhere else to go
And they're clearly and crudely biased. It's a shame because the real story here is horrible enough and needs to be told. But many sources are trying to drive the remain/brexit wedge.

This referendum has only spawned bad things as far as I can tell. The only succour is being drawn by 'post-state' right-wingers who think that the idea of guarantees to people from states is a thing of the past. The UK is leading the way in becoming the post-welfare-state state. :facepalm:
 
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The guardian gave some stats, but this article was 11th July: Police blame worst rise in recorded hate crime on EU referendum.

"Police said 3,076 hate crimes and incidents were reported to forces across the UK between 16 and 30 June... increase of 915" (but also says only 1 in 4 incidents are usually reported). Largest increase looks to be in London. However it also says (bear in mind this was 11th July) "the number of reports had fallen in recent days and was returning to what police were used to". I think we need to get July figures to see if that was true or not.

Anecdotally I think we are all clear there has been some spike in comments made, my friend had a racist comment made to him on the tube which hasn't happened to him before (though the drunk guy's own mates apologised for him and S wasn't bothered enough to report it). Hopefully it will reduce further once people realise it is no more acceptable than it ever was. How long that will take and how much damage is caused first is the main worry.
 
RIP :mad:
Six teenage boys arrested over death of Polish man in Essex
During an emotional visit on Tuesday to the scene of the attack, Jóźwik’s brother, Radek, spoke of how there had been a surge in hatred towards eastern Europeans after Britain’s vote to leave the European Union. He said he been told by police that the attack happened after they heard him and his friends speaking the Polish language.

“He was standing eating pizza and they picked on him because of that. He does not speak much English. The young teenagers are so aggressive.

“Parents need to speak with their children – they are out of control. One of the teenagers started and then seconds later there are 10 or 12 people attacking him.

“After the Brexit vote it has got worse – I have seen people change – it is hard at the moment.”

Four 15-year-old boys and one 16-year-old boy, all from Harlow, were arrested on Monday on suspicion of attempted murder and then arrested on suspicion of murder. All five have been bailed until 7 October pending further inquiries. A sixth boy, a 15-year-old from Harlow, was arrested on Tuesday afternoon on suspicion of murder and is awaiting questioning.
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Some residents have said the attack was not the first instance of physical violence against Polish people in Harlow since the Brexit vote.

Polish journalists said that they had spoken to a number of people who said two Polish men were taken to hospital several weeks ago following an attack in a street near to where Jóźwik was assaulted.
 
RIP :mad:
Six teenage boys arrested over death of Polish man in Essex
During an emotional visit on Tuesday to the scene of the attack, Jóźwik’s brother, Radek, spoke of how there had been a surge in hatred towards eastern Europeans after Britain’s vote to leave the European Union. He said he been told by police that the attack happened after they heard him and his friends speaking the Polish language.

“He was standing eating pizza and they picked on him because of that. He does not speak much English. The young teenagers are so aggressive.

“Parents need to speak with their children – they are out of control. One of the teenagers started and then seconds later there are 10 or 12 people attacking him.

“After the Brexit vote it has got worse – I have seen people change – it is hard at the moment.”

Four 15-year-old boys and one 16-year-old boy, all from Harlow, were arrested on Monday on suspicion of attempted murder and then arrested on suspicion of murder. All five have been bailed until 7 October pending further inquiries. A sixth boy, a 15-year-old from Harlow, was arrested on Tuesday afternoon on suspicion of murder and is awaiting questioning.
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Some residents have said the attack was not the first instance of physical violence against Polish people in Harlow since the Brexit vote.

Polish journalists said that they had spoken to a number of people who said two Polish men were taken to hospital several weeks ago following an attack in a street near to where Jóźwik was assaulted.

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I would almost prefer it had there been one killer. OBVIOUSLY, I'd prefer there to have been no killing at all. But I mean the idea of one racist bastard murderer being around is less alarming than the idea that a gang of half a dozen little bastards who should have been in doing their school homework feel fine about attacking and killing anyone they don't like the look (or, in this case, sound) of. :mad:
 
RIP :mad:
Six teenage boys arrested over death of Polish man in Essex
During an emotional visit on Tuesday to the scene of the attack, Jóźwik’s brother, Radek, spoke of how there had been a surge in hatred towards eastern Europeans after Britain’s vote to leave the European Union. He said he been told by police that the attack happened after they heard him and his friends speaking the Polish language.

“He was standing eating pizza and they picked on him because of that. He does not speak much English. The young teenagers are so aggressive.

“Parents need to speak with their children – they are out of control. One of the teenagers started and then seconds later there are 10 or 12 people attacking him.

“After the Brexit vote it has got worse – I have seen people change – it is hard at the moment.”

Four 15-year-old boys and one 16-year-old boy, all from Harlow, were arrested on Monday on suspicion of attempted murder and then arrested on suspicion of murder. All five have been bailed until 7 October pending further inquiries. A sixth boy, a 15-year-old from Harlow, was arrested on Tuesday afternoon on suspicion of murder and is awaiting questioning.
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Some residents have said the attack was not the first instance of physical violence against Polish people in Harlow since the Brexit vote.

Polish journalists said that they had spoken to a number of people who said two Polish men were taken to hospital several weeks ago following an attack in a street near to where Jóźwik was assaulted.
Also from that article:

A UN organisation said last week that British politicians had helped fuel a steep rise in racist hate crimes during and after the referendum campaign. Thecommittee on the elimination of racial discrimination said many prominent politicians should share the blame for the outbreak of xenophobia and intimidation against ethnic minorities.
 
I would almost prefer it had there been one killer. OBVIOUSLY, I'd prefer there to have been no killing at all. But I mean the idea of one racist bastard murderer being around is less alarming than the idea that a gang of half a dozen little bastards who should have been in doing their school homework feel fine about attacking and killing anyone they don't like the look (or, in this case, sound) of. :mad:
it's the summer holidays. there is no school homework.
 
RIP :mad:
Six teenage boys arrested over death of Polish man in Essex
During an emotional visit on Tuesday to the scene of the attack, Jóźwik’s brother, Radek, spoke of how there had been a surge in hatred towards eastern Europeans after Britain’s vote to leave the European Union. He said he been told by police that the attack happened after they heard him and his friends speaking the Polish language.

“He was standing eating pizza and they picked on him because of that. He does not speak much English. The young teenagers are so aggressive.

“Parents need to speak with their children – they are out of control. One of the teenagers started and then seconds later there are 10 or 12 people attacking him.

“After the Brexit vote it has got worse – I have seen people change – it is hard at the moment.”

Four 15-year-old boys and one 16-year-old boy, all from Harlow, were arrested on Monday on suspicion of attempted murder and then arrested on suspicion of murder. All five have been bailed until 7 October pending further inquiries. A sixth boy, a 15-year-old from Harlow, was arrested on Tuesday afternoon on suspicion of murder and is awaiting questioning.
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Some residents have said the attack was not the first instance of physical violence against Polish people in Harlow since the Brexit vote.

Polish journalists said that they had spoken to a number of people who said two Polish men were taken to hospital several weeks ago following an attack in a street near to where Jóźwik was assaulted.
Grim.:(

RIP
 
I would almost prefer it had there been one killer. OBVIOUSLY, I'd prefer there to have been no killing at all. But I mean the idea of one racist bastard murderer being around is less alarming than the idea that a gang of half a dozen little bastards who should have been in doing their school homework feel fine about attacking and killing anyone they don't like the look (or, in this case, sound) of. :mad:
Reminiscent of the Stephen Lawrence murder. That was marked by a shared culture of hatred too. There exist pockets of evil within our society. :(
 
it's the summer holidays. there is no school homework.
Oops. :oops: I forgot England was a bit behind in these things. :D Well, they should be doing some innocent schoolkiddy thing like underage drinking or any drugs they can get hold of, anything that isn't murder, really.
 
Welll the march of silence happened then :(

"An attack on two Polish men hours after a remembrance march for one of their compatriots who was murdered in the same town is being investigated as a potential hate crime.

One of the men suffered a cut to his head and the other had his nose broken in an assault by a group of four of five men at about 3.30am in Harlow, Essex, on Sunday."
 
Welll the march of silence happened then :(

"An attack on two Polish men hours after a remembrance march for one of their compatriots who was murdered in the same town is being investigated as a potential hate crime.

One of the men suffered a cut to his head and the other had his nose broken in an assault by a group of four of five men at about 3.30am in Harlow, Essex, on Sunday."

:(
 
This is supposedly a photo from the front of the silent march
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I think its a shame they rallied behind Polish flags...theres been a lot of flag flying since the fall of communism in poland, but this gives off the impression of a clash of nations...I wish there were a more diverse anti-racist campaign kicking in over this...anti-racism should be all inclusive and i find it a shame somewhat that at present, in this case, its appears to be so nationalised. Nationalism is a big part of the problem.
 
BTW I dont blame them for doing so...it would be nice to see other groups reaching out in solidarity and walking together...this wont be the last time so this may well still happen
 
BTW I dont blame them for doing so...it would be nice to see other groups reaching out in solidarity and walking together...this wont be the last time so this may well still happen


I am with you on this one, as you know I am not a flag waving type in any shape or form but can see why they have chosen to highlight their background. Polish people have taken and continue to take a lot of stick and abuse.

Ideally yes, there would have been lots of different flags and whatnot on the march, that is much more a sign of unity. Not sure who organised the march, perhaps that is the key thing here... how much are the polish community integrating or being integrated with generally and specifically in Harlow? Solidarity can't be offered or received if there are no connections, opportunities to do so.
 
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Polish people have taken and continue to take a lot of stick and abuse.
PArticularly in the last 100 years or so....
Ideally yes, there would have been lots of different flags and whatnot on the march, that is much more a sign of unity. Not sure who organised the march, perhaps that is the key thing here... how much are the polish community integrating or being integrated with generally and specifically in Harlow? Solidarity can't be offered or received if there are no connections, opportunities to do so.
Id expect it was knocked together quickly by local residents, and so wasnt massively thought out - a quick reaction.

I guess the SWP-front anti-racism campaigns wont get involved as SWP line is firmly pro-Brexit and this just tarnishes that side of their daydream pathetic plans
 
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