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People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

Anju said:
People jumped into bed with Nigel and the country has come away with a nasty disease. I just didn't see any concerted effort to distance leave from UKIP when it should have been a priority.
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Given how small comparatively the platform was for the left opposed to remain I'd say there was a concerted effort to distance leave from Farage. But that was opposed, over and over again, by people like you. You are still doing it now.
 
Anju said:
Yes our government has done terrible things but I will admit I am ashamed that we went to war in Iraq, bombed Syria, sold arms to Saudi Arabia and other countries, that we are complicit in the murder of innocent men, women and children. Leave voters should at least admit that they have had an impact on making racism more acceptable in this country. Or would you rather stick your head in the sand because your personal feelings are more important.
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I strongly disagree that the Leave vote has made racism more acceptable. As I mentioned on another thread, I and many others voted Leave because we want to see more immigration, not less.

You should be wary of accepting the liberal media's caricature of Leave voters.
 
smokedout said:
Given how small comparatively the platform was for the left opposed to remain I'd say there was a concerted effort to distance leave from Farage. But that was opposed, over and over again, by people like you. You are still doing it now.
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Trouble is leave voters have in effect voted for BJ, who will probably now use Farrage as a scapegoat to allow him to go back on leave promises, leaving a lot of angry people.
 
Great to see Yvette Cooper being so compassionate towards EU nationals, shame she wasn't so towards sick and disabled people when she was NL Works and Pensions Secretary and made the WCA even more brutal, introducing the 'invisible wheelchair' test.
 
Anju said:
Yes our government has done terrible things but I will admit I am ashamed that we went to war in Iraq, bombed Syria, sold arms to Saudi Arabia and other countries, that we are complicit in the murder of innocent men, women and children. Leave voters should at least admit that they have had an impact on making racism more acceptable in this country. Or would you rather stick your head in the sand because your personal feelings are more important.
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I think it might be useful to distinguish between aspects of the leave campaign, that could be argued to have excited racist sentiments, and people (here) voting Leave.
 
I made another thread for anyone who wants to discuss whether the leave campaign should have tried to distance itself from UKIP.

Not sure how to link it here but I'm sure you will find it if you want.
 
Anju said:
Hi all,
I was a little shocked yesterday to discover that some people think there is an excuse for racism, even here on Urban, that there are people that think violence is an acceptable reaction to what is happening at the moment.

Leave voters, you supported a cause and campaign of which Nigel Farrage and his supporters were a major part. Last year he defended a UKIP MP who used the word chinky. You knew you were colluding with racists. Where was the campaign to eject him and his followers 17,000,000 of you just let this happen and many of you knew the potential consequences.

The same thing is happening in America. Liberal commentators are excusing or denying the racism of the Trump campaign. This is not how to harm the establishment, or whatever you want to call the people who rule.

Here are a few definitions of what you are.

What do you call someone who bends reality to come up with plausible sounding reasons to accept or deflect the racist behaviour in others? Is it an associate-racist, a racist's apprentice, or maybe just "a racist"? This is also someone who uses his or her verbal and analytical skills to spin the facts so that they turn in the opposite direction. The victims become the poor white people.

If you think that things the majority of a race consider to be racist towards them are not in fact racist towards them... you might be are apologist for racism.

If your arguments, rhetoric and positions mirror uncannily those deployed by people you know very well are racist you are an apologist for racism.

If you support a cause, and your instinctive response to widespread complaints that many within that cause are circulating racist ideas is not, 'We'd better get those racist ideas and the people who hold them the hell away from our cause, or they'll make us look like a bunch of racists,' but, 'Stop trying to undermine our good and just cause with your spurious accusations; we'll tell you what is and isn't racist'... you are apologist for racism.

If a defender of your cause goes onto national television and says something so obnoxious and wrong-headed that pretty much the entire country's jaw drops in a collective bout of 'WTF?!, and instead of hurling yourself and your cause in the opposite direction, you busy yourself trying to contextualise the supposed nuances of this utterance with reference to sociological, philosophical or political theory. You are an apologist for racism.

At least admit to yourselves what you have done, who you really are and start caring for people other than yourself.
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I wonder what you think of the hundreds, maybe thousands of sick and disabled people who have died as a consequence of the welfare reforms, who have had been screamed at in the street, 'spaz, dole scrounger, fraudster' etc, some even murdered, no mass marches for them.
 
treelover said:
I wonder what you think of the hundreds, maybe thousands of sick and disabled people who have died as a consequence of the welfare reforms, who have had been screamed at in the street, 'spaz, dole scrounger, fraudster' etc, some even murdered, no mass marches for them.
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I think it is terrible but I also don't know what it has to do with this thread. I also think you know nothing about my views on, or experience of, disability personally or through friends and family so am slightly confused as to why you posted this.
 
treelover said:
I wonder what you think of the hundreds, maybe thousands of sick and disabled people who have died as a consequence of the welfare reforms, who have had been screamed at in the street, 'spaz, dole scrounger, fraudster' etc, some even murdered, no mass marches for them.
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From an earlier post of mine

I saw my niece who was racially abused last night. She was with her daughter who has touretts, which manifests itself as hand and shoulder ticks, along with little shrieks. On the morning of the leave win a group of guys waited until they were getting off the train and sang the jungle book song, making noises and physical monkey impressions. Previously they had been loudly talking about getting their country back. I was already angry about this but when I heard the full details last night I cried.
 
DotCommunist said:
what you did

wag it any harder it'll drop off
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Alright Paul Heaton settle down :)


Anju said:
I made another thread for anyone who wants to discuss whether the leave campaign should have tried to distance itself from UKIP.

Not sure how to link it here but I'm sure you will find it if you want.
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littlebabyjesus said:
I don't get that from the post. I get that they are saying you need to take responsibility for what you did if you voted out when you realised that the potential consequences included this, what is being reported again and again on this thread.
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I personally felt this was a potential consequence voting in too. Wouldn't they be angrier fascists then? A close remain wouldn't have seen these bastards off and you know it. Truth is hanging this entirely on an individual persons vote is wrong, the media stirred up anti immigration sentiment, we all tried to drag the conversation away from it and it's liberal-remain folks as well as the right that prevented this from happening- every counter point was BUT NIGEL FARAGE. And you wonder why the general campaign to most appeared toxic? The tone of the debate surely meant racist incidents were inevitable, but we can only guess at what a remain vote would have unleashed.

We didn't stir up the hatred and it shouldn't frighten us into voting for something we don't believe in. So no, I'm not responsible.
Anju said:
Please don't do this. I posted something because I was unhappy with the lack of criticism of Farrage and UKIP during the campaign and then discovered that people actually seemed to think that some racism is an acceptable reaction to what our government has done to this country. It is not and if people are happy to excuse racism on political ideological grounds that are totally disconnected from peoples day to day experiences I am disgusted by that.

People jumped into bed with Nigel and the country has come away with a nasty disease. I just didn't see any concerted effort to distance leave from UKIP when it should have been a priority.
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look stop saying we're in bed with Nigel Farage it's giving me the dry boak
 
Anju said:
I think it is terrible but I also don't know what it has to do with this thread. I also think you know nothing about my views on, or experience of, disability personally or through friends and family so am slightly confused as to why you posted this.
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To be fair everyone wonders why treelover posts
 
Yeah right, lots of people on here think you are an anal obssessive ex public schoolboy(who despite everything can't leave the inculcated sense of superiority behind ) who appears to spend his entire life on here, frequently demeaning other peoples posts..

See, others can play at the nasty game, now grow up or fuck off.
 
Anju said:
People jumped into bed with Nigel and the country has come away with a nasty disease.
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See, you are actually doing what that prick, andysays, accused me of doing the other day.

People who voted leave may have unwillingly contributed to the Farage cause as a by-product of the vote they casted, but that's a long way from "being in bed with [him]" which would require that they shared his politics or desired end-game.
 
treelover said:
Yeah right, lots of people on here think you are an anal obssessive ex public schoolboy(who despite everything can't leave the inculcated sense of superiority behind ) who appears to spend his entire life on here, frequently demeaning other peoples posts..

See, others can play at the nasty game, now grow up or fuck off.
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But what do you think? Why are you hiding behind other's opinions, have you none of your own? What was the point of your post?
 
phildwyer said:
Nonsense. Wars have more serious causes than that.

FFS, how did we get into such a state that using the word "chinky" is considered a crime against humanity?
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You, dwyer, are a crime against humanity.

And despite your furious backpeddling on the use of that word, despite trying to paint those who called you up on your racism as racist...

Despite claming "sensible people" aren't hurt by that word...

We all know the score.
 
phildwyer said:
Racist wanker who thinks Chinese people all live in restaurants. Or laundries.
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Fucking doing it again you dodgy cunt. What are you in China for anyway? Buying a wife you infected prick?

Go to the Chinese embassy in the UK, go to a Chinese restaurant in the UK, go to Chinatown, go to the lines of Chinese the warehouses outside Madrid and Valencia in Spain, go to the Chinese shops in Madrid, Barcelona, Valenica. Go anywhere where there might be a concentration of Chinese, Hong Kong folk in the EU and explain to them why saying "chinky" is a "triviality" you fucking wrongun.
 
Coolfonz said:
Fucking doing it again you dodgy cunt. What are you in China for anyway? Buying a wife you infected prick?

Go to the Chinese embassy in the UK, go to a Chinese restaurant in the UK, go to Chinatown, go to the lines of Chinese the warehouses outside Madrid and Valencia in Spain, go to the Chinese shops in Madrid, Barcelona, Valenica. Go anywhere where there might be a concentration of Chinese, Hong Kong folk in the EU and explain to them why saying "chinky" is a "triviality" you fucking wrongun.
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In many of those places you may not get the truth. I used to work in a Chinese and was (and still am) friends with the family running it . None of them seemed to mind the word some even used it themselves. It gave me the impression that they were cool with it (not my finest hour on a thread a decade or so ago). They were not.
 
Coolfonz said:
Fucking doing it again you dodgy cunt. What are you in China for anyway? Buying a wife you infected prick?

Go to the Chinese embassy in the UK, go to a Chinese restaurant in the UK, go to Chinatown, go to the lines of Chinese the warehouses outside Madrid and Valencia in Spain, go to the Chinese shops in Madrid, Barcelona, Valenica. Go anywhere where there might be a concentration of Chinese, Hong Kong folk in the EU and explain to them why saying "chinky" is a "triviality" you fucking wrongun.
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And yet you reduce Chinese women to the crude, misogynistic and racial view of Asian women as just poor things to fuck.

He's a globe-trotting prof, who likes to show off about the countries he drinks and bullshits in for more money than me, in-between winding people up on here.
 
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