People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

[Anju]

Hi all,
I was a little shocked yesterday to discover that some people think there is an excuse for racism, even here on Urban, that there are people that think violence is an acceptable reaction to what is happening at the moment.

Leave voters, you supported a cause and campaign of which Nigel Farrage and his supporters were a major part. Last year he defended a UKIP MP who used the word chinky. You knew you were colluding with racists. Where was the campaign to eject him and his followers 17,000,000 of you just let this happen and many of you knew the potential consequences.

The same thing is happening in America. Liberal commentators are excusing or denying the racism of the Trump campaign. This is not how to harm the establishment, or whatever you want to call the people who rule.

Here are a few definitions of what you are.

What do you call someone who bends reality to come up with plausible sounding reasons to accept or deflect the racist behaviour in others? Is it an associate-racist, a racist's apprentice, or maybe just "a racist"? This is also someone who uses his or her verbal and analytical skills to spin the facts so that they turn in the opposite direction. The victims become the poor white people.

If you think that things the majority of a race consider to be racist towards them are not in fact racist towards them... you might be are apologist for racism.

If your arguments, rhetoric and positions mirror uncannily those deployed by people you know very well are racist you are an apologist for racism.

If you support a cause, and your instinctive response to widespread complaints that many within that cause are circulating racist ideas is not, 'We'd better get those racist ideas and the people who hold them the hell away from our cause, or they'll make us look like a bunch of racists,' but, 'Stop trying to undermine our good and just cause with your spurious accusations; we'll tell you what is and isn't racist'... you are apologist for racism.

If a defender of your cause goes onto national television and says something so obnoxious and wrong-headed that pretty much the entire country's jaw drops in a collective bout of 'WTF?!, and instead of hurling yourself and your cause in the opposite direction, you busy yourself trying to contextualise the supposed nuances of this utterance with reference to sociological, philosophical or political theory. You are an apologist for racism.

At least admit to yourselves what you have done, who you really are and start caring for people other than yourself.

 

[JimW]

Hi all,
I was a little shocked yesterday to discover that some people think there is an excuse for racism, even here on Urban, that there are people that think violence is an acceptable reaction to what is happening at the moment.

Leave voters, you supported a cause and campaign of which Nigel Farrage and his supporters were a major part. Last year he defended a UKIP MP who used the word chinky. You knew you were colluding with racists. Where was the campaign to eject him and his followers 17,000,000 of you just let this happen and many of you knew the potential consequences.

The same thing is happening in America. Liberal commentators are excusing or denying the racism of the Trump campaign. This is not how to harm the establishment, or whatever you want to call the people who rule.

Here are a few definitions of what you are.

What do you call someone who bends reality to come up with plausible sounding reasons to accept or deflect the racist behaviour in others? Is it an associate-racist, a racist's apprentice, or maybe just "a racist"? This is also someone who uses his or her verbal and analytical skills to spin the facts so that they turn in the opposite direction. The victims become the poor white people.

If you think that things the majority of a race consider to be racist towards them are not in fact racist towards them... you might be are apologist for racism.

If your arguments, rhetoric and positions mirror uncannily those deployed by people you know very well are racist you are an apologist for racism.

If you support a cause, and your instinctive response to widespread complaints that many within that cause are circulating racist ideas is not, 'We'd better get those racist ideas and the people who hold them the hell away from our cause, or they'll make us look like a bunch of racists,' but, 'Stop trying to undermine our good and just cause with your spurious accusations; we'll tell you what is and isn't racist'... you are apologist for racism.

If a defender of your cause goes onto national television and says something so obnoxious and wrong-headed that pretty much the entire country's jaw drops in a collective bout of 'WTF?!, and instead of hurling yourself and your cause in the opposite direction, you busy yourself trying to contextualise the supposed nuances of this utterance with reference to sociological, philosophical or political theory. You are an apologist for racism.

At least admit to yourselves what you have done, who you really are and start caring for people other than yourself.

You've drowned Syrian children in the.Med. Or how about you dump this.bullshit guilt by association.

 

[Anju]

TBF you can turn that setting off. Might be off by default.

Anyway, Anju total misreading of BA's earlier post re offering support to Pollish groups et al, who've suffered racist attacks.

Thanks

I don't think I did misread his post. The (if you know what I mean) seemed pretty clear.

 

[Anju]

You've drowned Syrian children in the.Med. Or how about you dump this.bullshit guilt by association.

Yes we have killed children all over the world. British bombs are destroying Yemen and our government is still selling weapons to the Saudis. They are waiting for a report from the Saudis before they decide whether to stop the arms sales. Labour MPs voted to bomb Syria. I am ashamed that by association I am part of this.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Please Anju, do this on another thread.

 

[Whagwan]

Oh well, if no one else is going to post it:

Whispering game

So you have confirmed that "when that paediatrician had paedo graffitied on her house" actually happened and was not "a figment of liberal confirmation bias."? As that was all I was attempting to refute, I didn't comment on the rest of the story...

 

[butchersapron]

So you have confirmed that "when that paediatrician had paedo graffitied on her house" actually happened and was not "a figment of liberal confirmation bias."? As that was all I was attempting to refute, I didn't comment on the rest of the story...

Something happened for sure - but that something was blown out of all proportion by the " liberal confirmation bias." danny mentioned. That's what i was confirming. The long running results of that bias is that i don't think a year has passed since that article was written in which it's not been posted in response to someone saying what about that paedo they burnt out/hung in newport/portsmouth etc. It's almost became expected - me and danny were, i think acting a little bit in expectation of where this was going and what was going to be posted.

 

[Anju]

Please Anju, do this on another thread.

OK, I will not reply to any posts. I just want people to think about what they have done and this is the thread about racism.

I saw my niece who was racially abused last night. She was with her daughter who has touretts, which manifests itself as hand and shoulder ticks, along with little shrieks. On the morning of the leave win a group of guys waited until they were getting off the train and sang the jungle book song, making noises and physical monkey impressions. Previously they had been loudly talking about getting their country back. I was already angry about this but when I heard the full details last night I cried.

 

[DotCommunist]

start caring for people other than yourself.

how the fuck dare you. At root I think and do as I do because I care for other people. Get your waggy finger and stick it up your arse.

 

[krtek a houby]

OK, I will not reply to any posts. I just want people to think about what they have done and this is the thread about racism.

I saw my niece who was racially abused last night. She was with her daughter who has touretts, which manifests itself as hand and shoulder ticks, along with little shrieks. On the morning of the leave win a group of guys waited until they were getting off the train and sang the jungle book song, making noises and physical monkey impressions. Previously they had been loudly talking about getting their country back. I was already angry about this but when I heard the full details last night I cried.

Horrific. But be warned; some will see you as a middle class liberal exaggerating an inccident that has nothing to do with the result.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Thanks. I got lots of PMs from people who are enjoying this. I have spare time at the moment so will carry on later or tomorrow if I don't have time tonight. To be fair to people that want this thread to stay on topic I might start one just for them.

"Hundreds of PMs of support" is an ancient Urban meme that I suspect you'll come to regret.

 

[smokedout]

What do you call someone who bends reality to come up with plausible sounding reasons to accept or deflect the racist behaviour in others? Is it an associate-racist, a racist's apprentice, or maybe just "a racist"?

An EU supporter, who just voted for a white countries only immigration policy, Fortress Europe, immigration prisons and refugee camps?

 

[ska invita]

how the fuck dare you. At root I think and do as I do because I care for other people. Get your waggy finger and stick it up your arse.

I think anju has attempted today to be clear and civil about a subject he is obviously upset by and affected by. I think he deserves a better response than that. Though feel free to keep insulting him if you like.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes it is...a few years back I was asked where I was originally from on the street in Brixton
I replied " up north"
this was not specific enough
and when I said "Yorkshire"
I was told to fuck off back to Albania

Twas probably the "I Love Enver Hoxha" t-shirt that did it.

 

[krtek a houby]

"Hundreds of PMs of support" is an ancient Urban meme that I suspect you'll come to regret.

Possibly but I think he said "lots". Which for me, at any rate, means more than one

 

[DotCommunist]

I think anju has attempted today to be clear and civil about a subject he is obviously upset by and affected by. I think he deserves a better response than that. Though feel free to keep insulting him if you like.

No I think I'm done. Calling racism on people for voting out is not on. 'what you have done'. Please.

 

[Anju]

I think anju has attempted today to be clear and civil about a subject he is obviously upset by and affected by. I think he deserves a better response than that. Though feel free to keep insulting him if you like.

Thanks.

I said I would not reply so please don't bother insulting me. I have other more pressing real life concerns. And dot communist. It is only my opinion. I would tell you to do the same but as your head is already there I doubt there is room. Again, if you want to throw personal insults at me don't do it here. Start a new thread if you like.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No I think I'm done. Calling racism on people for voting out is not on. 'what you have done'. Please.

I don't get that from the post. I get that they are saying you need to take responsibility for what you did if you voted out when you realised that the potential consequences included this, what is being reported again and again on this thread.

 

[smokedout]

I think anju has attempted today to be clear and civil about a subject he is obviously upset by and affected by. I think he deserves a better response than that. Though feel free to keep insulting him if you like.

he just called 17 million people racist, including if Ashcroft's polling is right over a qurter of Black people and a third of Asian people, that's hardly civil

 

[krtek a houby]

he just called 17 million people racist, including if Ashcroft's polling is right over a qurter of Black people and a third of Asian people, that's hardly civil

There's nothing civil about civil war.

 

[DotCommunist]

Thanks.

I said I would not reply so please don't bother insulting me. I have other more pressing real life concerns. And dot communist. It is only my opinion. I would tell you to do the same but as your head is already there I doubt there is room. Again, if you want to throw personal insults at me don't do it here. Start a new thread if you like.

not one personal insult. At all. Anyway, we are done.

 

[phildwyer]

Leave voters, you supported a cause and campaign of which Nigel Farrage and his supporters were a major part. Last year he defended a UKIP MP who used the word chinky. You knew you were colluding with racists.

Remain voters, you supported a cause and campaign of which David Cameron and his supporters were a major part. He has spent years urging on pointless and destructive wars of aggression in which hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed. That's a bit more serious than using the word "chinky." You knew you were colluding with mass murderers.

If you're going to use such a fucking stupid argument.

 

[DotCommunist]

I don't get that from the post. I get that they are saying you need to take responsibility for what you did if you voted out when you realised that the potential consequences included this, what is being reported again and again on this thread.

collective responsibility. Always a winner.

 

[DotCommunist]

what you did

wag it any harder it'll drop off

 

[littlebabyjesus]

collective responsibility. Always a winner.

More individual responsibility, no? Again, they address this - this is the relevant bit:

Leave voters, you supported a cause and campaign of which Nigel Farrage and his supporters were a major part. Last year he defended a UKIP MP who used the word chinky. You knew you were colluding with racists. Where was the campaign to eject him and his followers 17,000,000 of you just let this happen and many of you knew the potential consequences.

If you suspected this would happen, but voted leave anyway, does 'it's nothing to do with me' quite cut it?

 

[krtek a houby]

Remain voters, you supported a cause and campaign of which David Cameron and his supporters were a major part. He has spent years urging on pointless and destructive wars of aggression in which hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed. That's a bit more serious than using the word "chinky."

If you're going to use such a fucking stupid argument.

Wars can be started by words. Racist words are the spark for confrontations.

 

[phildwyer]

Wars can be started by words. Racist words are the spark for confrontations.

Using the word "chinky" versus invading Iraq. Not really a serious comparison is it?

 

[krtek a houby]

Using the word "chinky" versus invading Iraq. Not really a serious comparison is it?

I'm not making a comparison. I'm suggesting that racist rhetoric is the first step towards conflict.

 

[DotCommunist]

More individual responsibility, no? Again, they address this - this is the relevant bit:



If you suspected this would happen, but voted leave anyway, does 'it's nothing to do with me' quite cut it?

so its individual yet I am supposed to be held to account for the actions of racists? nice one

 

[smokedout]

More individual responsibility, no? Again, they address this - this is the relevant bit:



If you suspected this would happen, but voted leave anyway, does 'it's nothing to do with me' quite cut it?

Nigel Farage claimed to be against the Bedroom Tax, so am I and we'd probably have voted the same way in a referendum on it

Actively voting to prop up a racist, murderous, neo-liberal institution, well thats a different kettle of fish. Thats proper blood on your hands stuff.