People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

[Pickman's model]

I didn't say that. I just think violence on either side is wrong. The Polish people I know would not want this as a solution. For many of them violent thugs were one of the things they were trying to avoid.

You seem to me to be saying self defence is to be deplored

 

[Pickman's model]

I forget to mention that the article also used the good immigrants bad immigrants argument. Butchersapron also seemed fine with that.

"Seemed fine" or actively agreed?

 

[killer b]

Ah, OK.

Anju - the article doesn't say what you say it does. You've totally misrepresented the article, what I've said and what butchers has said. I've no interest in discussing it with you any further as you seem incapable of arguing a case honestly.

 

[Anju]

"Seemed fine" or actively agreed?

So because I write that Polish people can be women, children and non macho males you can infer that I am saying they should accept what they get but when your online friends are in full agreement with an article that expresses all kinds of disgusting sentiment I have to have word by word agreement.

Will you be summoning any more people to help out?

 

[Pickman's model]

So because I write that Polish people can be women, children and non macho males you can infer that I am saying they should accept what they get but when your online friends are in full agreement with an article that expresses all kinds of disgusting sentiment I have to have word by word agreement.

Will you be summoning any more people to help out?

this would be the article killer b says you have misrepresented I suppose. You say you deplore violence "from either side". Does that mean you agree with me self-defence is no offence, that you only disagree with aggressive violence? E2a: I haven't summoned anyone to help me to start with so I won't be summoning "any more people".

 

[Anju]

Ah, OK.

Anju - the article doesn't say what you say it does. You've totally misrepresented the article, what I've said and what butchers has said. I've no interest in discussing it with you any further as you seem incapable of arguing a case honestly.

OK. The only bit of the article you defended was the part apologising for racism. How about you give your interpretation. I will add the good v bad immigrants bit to mine and let the people of Urban decide who is correct?

 

[killer b]

Nope.

 

[Anju]

this would be the article killer b says you have misrepresented I suppose. You say you deplore violence "from either side". Does that mean you agree with me self-defence is no offence, that you only disagree with aggressive violence? E2a: I haven't summoned anyone to help me to start with so I won't be summoning "any more people".

Perhaps you could read it for yourself rather than just asking your friends. Also, why are you asking me about the type of violence I disagree with?

 

[no-no]

Youve answered your own question really. The solution to attacks on pay and conditions is stronger unions, as the solution to a housing crisis is public intervention. The right create the crisis and set up the scapegoats. The irony is that the government responsible gets off the hook, which is part of the idea. I would be interested to discuss moderate migration controls from a left POV as part of a protectionist package but thats not whats on offer. Most of the people frothing about this ( i live in a high immigrant area btw, dont have consistent work, yet manage to not be bitter about it), try talking to them about housing policy, imvestmemt etc. "Lefty crap" innit, they wanna slag off foreigners. Ghis country has consistently voted for capitalism, doesnt seem to like the results, so is channeled further right. Its a pretty standard historical dynamic. Then people try to bollox whitesplain it away, make assumptions about motivation for criticising racists. The right say its pc gone mad to say racism is racist, and too many liberals and leftists have concocted that its an attack on the working class to do so.

Race hate is stoked, sustained and legitimised by the ruling class through their disinfo press, the most consistent examples being the bourgeois Mail and Express. It permeates all classes, though most of the victims are probably working class, something the whitesplainers may he forgetting.

Since it seems very unlikely we're going to elect any form of socialist government soon, would it hurt to have some protectionist measures? I don't think it'd cut any mustard with the most rabid racists at all but perhaps with your average disillusioned ukip voter? The fat they see some change might be enough esp if the policy is coming from labour?

I don't think it does the left any favours to keep saying there are no negative effects to immigration when there clearly are no matter how insignificant they may seem. They get played up to the max by the right.

Some protection for certain trades and massive investment in education so we can fill some of our own skill shortages would reduce support for the far right wouldn't it?

As you say though, we keep electing capitalists so these options aren't on the table. They're on Corbyns table though so why aren't people interested?

edit.....actually prob not the protectiing jobs bit....don't think Corbyn is proposing anything like that.

 

[Anju]

this would be the article killer b says you have misrepresented I suppose. You say you deplore violence "from either side". Does that mean you agree with me self-defence is no offence, that you only disagree with aggressive violence? E2a: I haven't summoned anyone to help me to start with so I won't be summoning "any more people".

Why have I been summoned?

 

[ffsear]

3 arrested

Make a fucking example of them please. Prison time.

 

[killer b]

It was you that tagged me in this thread you fucking weapon.

 

[stethoscope]

What?! It was you that 'summoned' killer b by replying to his post

Also, you have misrepresented what the piece says, and thrown in some dreadful smeary shit towards BA in the process.

 

[Wilhelmina.Trav]

I hate all this n hope it isn't going to turn into a repeat of Nazi Geemany with the Polish scategoated like the Jews were. I'm absolutely horrified to read of what's going on n it makes me feel ashamed to be part of this country. You'd think that after everything that has happened throughout history (n it's not like it's not taught in schools) that people would wise up n not be so easily brainwashed. I feel very sad to see this going on in the year 2016 n I feel for the Polish we are all human with blood through our veins, after all. How cares where people are from so long as they're good, caring, kind-hearted people who contribute?

Saddening

Evey

 

[Pickman's model]

Anju you "summoned" killer b, don't make out I have been summoning people to my assistance. I await your apology.

 

[Anju]

It was you that tagged me in this thread you fucking weapon.

Where did I tag you. You replied to my post. You lot really are not very bright are you.

 

[Anju]

Anju you "summoned" killer b, don't make out I have been summoning people to my assistance. I await your apology.

I did not tag him in any post. Show me where the post is you jumped up little........

 

[stethoscope]

Where did I tag you. You replied to my post. You lot really are not very bright are you.

Post #323

 

[Pickman's model]

I did not tag him in any post. Show me where the post is you jumped up little........

You quoted him

Now, where's that apology?

 

[Pickman's model]

Where did I tag you. You replied to my post. You lot really are not very bright are you.

Yeh. But we're 60w to your 40w

 

[Anju]

I quoted his post I did not tag him. It is unfair to hijack this thread with petty arguments. I was happy to let other people decide who is correct but this was declined by kb.

 

[krtek a houby]

I quoted his post I did not tag him. It is unfair to hijack this thread with petty arguments. I was happy to let other people decide who is correct but this was declined by kb.

You keep on posting and put the petty squad on ignore. Works for me.

 

[Pickman's model]

I quoted his post I did not tag him. It is unfair to hijack this thread with petty arguments. I was happy to let other people decide who is correct but this was declined by kb.

If you quote someone they get an alert the same as tagging them. As you know from all the alerts you have from me. There would have been no petty argument if you engaged brain. One of us is stupid, brighteyes, but it isn't me.

 

[Anju]

You quoted him

Now, where's that apology?

Wow you really are a jumped up little man. I think your bulb may have blown. That was so witty by the way. Ha ha ha. You're 60watt and I'm 40. You should consider a career in comedy. I am going to make my lovely family dinner now. Sure I will see you all again.

 

[Johnny Doe]

You keep on posting and put the petty squad on ignore. Works for me.

Have we reached P-Iggy?

 

[krtek a houby]

Apparently it's very marginal...

I wouldn't doubt that some incidents will be exaggerated or even plain made up, given the resentment of some remainers...

 

[Anju]

You keep on posting and put the petty squad on ignore. Works for me.

Thanks. I got lots of PMs from people who are enjoying this. I have spare time at the moment so will carry on later or tomorrow if I don't have time tonight. To be fair to people that want this thread to stay on topic I might start one just for them.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I wouldn't doubt that some incidents will be exaggerated or even plain made up, given the resentment of some remainers, but there is something going on.

I would doubt that, tbh. btw how do you exaggerate a racist attack/insult?

 

[krtek a houby]

Have we reached P-Iggy?

As bearla, mais e do thoile.

 

[Pickman's model]

Wow you really are a jumped up little man. I think your bulb may have blown. That was so witty by the way. Ha ha ha. You're 60watt and I'm 40. You should consider a career in comedy. I am going to make my lovely family dinner now. Sure I will see you all again.

So in summary you are against all violence from whichever quarter it emanates. Therefore you are against the 'violence' of people protecting themselves and thus you think Polish people should take any shit they're given.