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People getting racially abused because of the referendum result

CRI said:
"White working class folks don't see anybody as inferior."

Righty ho, you answered my question then. Cheers. :hmm:

Edit: Ah, wasn't your post to start with. But do you REALLY believe white working class people don't experience racial privilege, at all? Do they really think they they are "directing their anger at the elitist establishment" when they engage in racist, homophobic or disablist abuse? Seriously?
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Intersectionalist?
 
CRI said:
This ^

I get that folks don't want to put themselves at risk of harm and not everyone is in a situation where they can do a lot, but sometimes good old "British reserve" just won't do.

Some useful stuff here about what you can do as a bystander - also works for other types of hate crime. WHO, IF NOT YOU? How you can intervene when witnessing racist assaults
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Sorry, I didn't need a circular on 'civil courage' it was part of my WC upbringing, alongside of my amusement and astonishment at the casual racism that accompanied it.
 
CRI said:
"White working class folks don't see anybody as inferior."

Righty ho, you answered my question then. Cheers. :hmm:

Edit: Ah, wasn't your post to start with. But do you REALLY believe white working class people don't experience racial privilege, at all? Do they really think they they are "directing their anger at the elitist establishment" when they engage in racist, homophobic or disablist abuse? Seriously?
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Yes. Yes they do. All of them. Every time. Which is pretty much a full time job. So, sorry for anyone we missed.
 
coley said:
Sorry, I didn't need a circular on 'civil courage' it was part of my WC upbringing, alongside of my amusement and astonishment at the casual racism that accompanied it.
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Cool. Glad to year you got straight A's in Civil Courage and don't need the link. Nothing wrong with the odd refresher though, surely.
 
oryx said:
SE23.com - The SE23 Forum - Racist attacks on HOP resteraunts

Donde & Honor Oak Cafe Windows Bricked

Some people saying it was a bog standard robbery attempt but seems too much of a coincidence.
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tbf it could well be a robbery...HOP gets its fair share....Bubbles was my local shop and that was getting robbed fairly regularly...last time i knew of a crew of guys forced the shutter, smashed the door and looted it (fags particularly) But two in a night> And what was stolen? And robbing Honor Oak Cafe? Theres nothing in there! Hardly worth the risk
 
I posted the link because yeah, one of the shitty things about the stories of abuse was how little support people got while it was happening. There were examples where people DID step in and yes, not everyone is in a position to do something or if they're afraid of getting attacked themselves. Just posted the link as it has some ideas of stuff that can be done safely. That is all.
 
ska invita said:
tbf it could well be a robbery...HOP gets its fair share....Bubbles was my local shop and that was getting robbed fairly regularly...last time i knew of a crew of guys forced the shutter, smashed the door and looted it. But two in a night> And what was stolen? And robbing Honor Oak Cafe? Theres nothing in there!
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Yeah, it's very :hmm:.
 
CRI said:
I posted the link because yeah, one of the shitty things about the stories of abuse was how little support people got while it was happening. There were examples where people DID step in and yes, not everyone is in a position to do something or if they're afraid of getting attacked themselves. Just posted the link as it has some ideas of stuff that can be done safely. That is all.
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Yeah, fair play to Numbers upthread, but IIRC he has a background in boxing :D
I was talking about this to make my work colleague today, and she was saying how because of her slight physique how hard it would be for her to have any kind of effect on someone bigger and meaner than her. I havent read the link yet, just glanced, but it looks like there are some useful things in there.
 
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CRI said:
Cool. Glad to year you got straight A's in Civil Courage and don't need the link. Nothing wrong with the odd refresher though, surely.
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Spend nearly every day enduring learning disability fights, and having to attending futile mandatory training courses, luckily we are missing the concerted racial attacks which seem to be engulfing the rest of the country.
Sorry, I don't mean to underemphasise what's been happening, but the 4 idiots in newcastle and related incidents elsewhere, while totally unacceptable, exhibit a disappointment from the arseholes of the far right rather than an exuberant demonstration that they are 'on the rise'
 
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coley said:
Spend nearly every day enduring learning disability fights, and having to attending futile mandatory training courses, luckily we are missing the concerted racial attacks which seem to be engulfing the rest of the country.
Sorry, I don't mean to underemphasise what's been happening, but the 4 idiots in newcastle and related incidents elsewhere, while totally unacceptable, exhibit a disappointment from the arseholes of the far right rather than an exuberant demonstration that they are 'on the rise'
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whats happening at the moment is unorganised, 'causal' racism, on an unusually high scale. Its not channeled into NF or other groups. Its grassroots and its coming from corners that are normally 'safe(r)'. Schools and busses and street corners.
Those 4 Newcastle NF guys dont represent the majority of whats being reported here - just happens they were out on this weekend and they made it on the thread.
For now this isnt being channeled into an organised far right...thats true...lets hope it stays that way though. Theres a variety of reasons to suggest it might in the future.
 
Yes, it would be shit if NF, BNP, BF or whatever sinister fascist alphabet soup of a group manages to organise and orchestrate racist attacks.

But, the plethora of incidents, ranging from people confidently making racist comments in public conversations on a continuum through to physical attacks on property and people that ISN'T orchestrated may be actually more worrying.

If stuff's being done by specific people who are members of or somehow linked to a recognisable group, there's a chance they can be watched, held accountable, prosecuted, whatever. When it's thousands of fairly random people all over the country putting their bigotry into action, how the hell do you counter that!

For the person on the street getting spat on, threatened, their property defaced or head kicked, the experience won't be any less shitty if their assailant wasn't a card carrying member of a far right group, iyswim.

Just think we have to be careful about any messages that come across as, "well, it could be worse," or "it's only four dickheads with a banner," or not all white/old/Geordie/working class/whatever people are bigots.
 
Numbers said:
Same pub I mentioned y/day, when walking by today after getting off the bus they were asking an elderly Muslim man when he was leaving, not so politely mind. I stopped and pulled them up on it, and with my (diluted but as thick as I could muster) Irish accent asked them why not show the same aggression to me, they didn't, said they were only having a laugh, then I displayed a bit of aggressive blue language back towards them and they displayed the cowardly bollox these type of individual do when confronted by someone not intimidated by them.

I was shitting myself tho'. Wankers.
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Well done. I hope have the guts to do the same on a similar situation.
 
On race and brexit:
On the Hideous Whiteness Of Brexit: “Let us be honest about our past and our present if we truly seek to dismantle white supremacy”

Lots of points in it... heres the opening para

An unstated campaign strategy of the Leave campaign was to re-imagine Britain and Britishness (but really Englishness) as white in order to make particular kinds of claims to victimhood which would highlight economic inequality without challenging neoliberalism. For instance, a key argument of the campaign was that the ‘working class’ (who were unquestionably assumed to be white) were suffering under the burden of mass immigration, which transformed the culture of their neighbourhoods and put undue strain on public services. Thus we see whiteness operating as victim—the white working class is being held hostage in their own country by migrants. Any critique of this victimhood further re-enforces a victim status through fulminations that the critic is ‘the real racist’.
 
treelover said:
People on social media are saying that the graffiti sprayed on the front doors of the Polish Club in Hammersmith was 'F*** you OMP' and most likely directed at the Polish-based Centre for Political Thought, 'an independent think-tank promoting individual freedom and responsibility, the free market, liberal democracy, the rule of law, and the idea of a limited state'. Its Polish acronym is OMP. Anyone know anymore about this, nonsense?

What would a cultural centre have to do with the OMP?
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It's what the pic accompanying this Evening Standard piece shows: Polish Embassy respond to post-Brexit racism

Although in this piece they say it said 'go home'. Not to downplay it, and we don't appear to know what happened, but there's something a bit strange about this story.
 
YOU OMP certainly doesnt mean go home.... its meaningless .FUCK YOU OMP at least makes some sense, not that Ive heard of OMP
 
Missus has gone with her dad to watch some tennis thing so I took our daughter to rhyme time at the library. One of the mums asked the only other Dad "What was that weird guy saying to you at Mazey (annual town wide piss up type thing over the weekend)?" "He was telling me he voted Leave and asking what I was doing here." Fuck's sake.
 
I wonder how many left exiteers would still have voted the way they did if they knew that one of the consequences of a leave win would be the massive spike in racist shit that's being detailed on this thread and elsewhere.
 
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