People getting racially abused because of the referendum result
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cuppa tee
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English born friend of Chinese heritage found her car had been vandalised with paint stripper while parked outside her flat over the weekend, London Borough of Greenwich, she has been insulted verbally before on her estate but feels this is an escalation because of the Brexit vote.
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ska invita
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Global financial crisis pt2 is still to happen of course so that's something to look forward to.
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This one has upset me particularly for some reason.
I hope she has some friends around for support amongst her neighbours.
pt1 never stopped, Brexit is a part of the financial crisis, social contract (Thatcher's version) broken, Thatcher's people angry...fin crisis still going on...£250bn in QE other day..
People on social media are saying that the graffiti sprayed on the front doors of the Polish Club in Hammersmith was 'F*** you OMP' and most likely directed at the Polish-based Centre for Political Thought, 'an independent think-tank promoting individual freedom and responsibility, the free market, liberal democracy, the rule of law, and the idea of a limited state'. Its Polish acronym is OMP. Anyone know anymore about this, nonsense?
What would a cultural centre have to do with the OMP?
What would a cultural centre have to do with the OMP?
CRI
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Sounds like bullshit
cuppa tee
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thank you for your concern, i am not sure about the neighbours but she is quite empowered and will be OK, she works with my other half who is also good in adversity....tbh the police have been fucking useless despite having a good idea who the knuckle draggers in question are so it's just as well really.
T & P
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Already in motion. Britain has just lost its AAA rating...
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Someone started collecting racist posts on social media yesterday, then when these mushroomed, started a Facebook Group for people to post things directly to. (Evening Standard story here) There are now hundreds of first hand stories and observations of racist and xenophobic abuse and they're fucking scary and infuriating.
- Perpetrators seem to be men, women and children, all ages, all "social strata" and reports are from all over - both remain and leave areas.
- Victims also seem varied - folks thought to be EU nationals, any BAME people, but also tourists and white Americans, Canadians, Australians, etc.
- Encounters seem quite random - strangers accosting people on the bus, in the street, in shops.
- In most incidents that were witnessed by other people, the other people stood by and did nowt
- Many say they've had few or no previous problems with abuse. Some say it's escalated during the run up to the vote, but most say it really hit the fan since Friday.
- Some are reporting a parallel increase in other forms of hate crime - e.g. homophobia, harassment of disabled people, anti-semitism, etc. around the same time frame.
It's pretty clear the campaign messages, the result and probably the disappointment of being "sold a pup" has emboldened bigots to turn their thoughts into action.
There are still plenty of apologists on social media trying to deny and play down the claims. Some are whining that the negative stereotypes about older and working class voters is just as bad, or trying to make it all about them #NotAllOldPeople #NotAllWorkingClassPeople
Even well-meaning folks who keep responding to stories with, "But, they're just a minority" or "some of us DO want you here," etc. are still making it about them. It just minimises the other person's experience. It needs to stop.
For anyone who can't be arsed to do the linkies, here's a few. I'm feeling really sick. I know folk didn't become bigots overnight, but their speed in coming out of the closet is still damned shocking.
- Perpetrators seem to be men, women and children, all ages, all "social strata" and reports are from all over - both remain and leave areas.
- Victims also seem varied - folks thought to be EU nationals, any BAME people, but also tourists and white Americans, Canadians, Australians, etc.
- Encounters seem quite random - strangers accosting people on the bus, in the street, in shops.
- In most incidents that were witnessed by other people, the other people stood by and did nowt
- Many say they've had few or no previous problems with abuse. Some say it's escalated during the run up to the vote, but most say it really hit the fan since Friday.
- Some are reporting a parallel increase in other forms of hate crime - e.g. homophobia, harassment of disabled people, anti-semitism, etc. around the same time frame.
It's pretty clear the campaign messages, the result and probably the disappointment of being "sold a pup" has emboldened bigots to turn their thoughts into action.
There are still plenty of apologists on social media trying to deny and play down the claims. Some are whining that the negative stereotypes about older and working class voters is just as bad, or trying to make it all about them #NotAllOldPeople #NotAllWorkingClassPeople
Even well-meaning folks who keep responding to stories with, "But, they're just a minority" or "some of us DO want you here," etc. are still making it about them. It just minimises the other person's experience. It needs to stop.For anyone who can't be arsed to do the linkies, here's a few. I'm feeling really sick. I know folk didn't become bigots overnight, but their speed in coming out of the closet is still damned shocking.
ska invita
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sure, of course part 1 is still very much in play, but when a couple more banks fall itll be part two for all intents and purposes
ska invita
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Theres a great film (based on a great book) called Sour Sweet about a Chinese family moving to south east london in the 80s and the shit they go through. Things were bad then but i feel real progress has been made over the years (EU liberalism or not). It makes me livid to think were going back towards that time.
Anyhow a great London film worth watching.
Glad to hear she is 'empowered'. Sounds like a tough sort - though no one is that tough that this doesn't hurt and hurt deep.
Trying to check my anger against the racists too - theyre victims of a sort in this shit too - but patience is thin right now.
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ska invita
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Ive been thinking about this - maybe in a way they did, come out overnight.
You can have a relatively peaceful dog and give it a sniff of blood and whip it up into a frenzy and itll go and bite someone.
The Exit campaign has done just that (plus of course months more in the racist newspapers as warm up).
Many of us are frustrated, and humans are manipulable - our frustration can been channeled by others in all kinds of ways. Thats the danger of a situation like the one we're in.
Puddy_Tat
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as i said in one of the pre-referendum threads on here, i've been noticing the closet racists getting less closeted over the last few weeks. with the shite that some bits of the 'leave' campaign and the press were coming out with, it's hardly surprising.
littlebabyjesus
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Not sure about that. Depressingly they have never gone away, they've just learned to keep quiet. John Barnes said that about racists at football. But them knowing to keep quiet is itself a victory.
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I dont want anyone to misunderstand me - of course they never went away - im trying to make a more subtle point about how racist anger can be triggered in people. Im too tired and emotional to make the point clearly though right now i expect
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They also formally withdrew their 26 year old pending application to become a member of the EU in March.
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Um, sort of.
I'm not going with the dog analogy because that's not actually how dogs brains work. It's not how human brains work, either. Unlike dogs, people have cognition, have agency.
Maybe I'm reading your post wrong, but it's coming across as though the racist shit stains deserve some sympathy because their actions are the result of "frustration," or perhaps not their fault because they've been "manipulated." I'm not buying that.
Yes, Murdoch and his ilk, selfish politicians, etc. encourage bigotry and division for their own ends - bigger profits, power, control, etc. I think they do try to manipulate people, of course they do. But, I also think this works with people who are already receptive to the message because they already feel entitled and superior because of their ethnicity, nationality, cultural background, whatever. White, working class folks may be having a shit time, but that doesn't absolve them of taking out their frustrations on others that they see as inferior to themselves. Nope.
Edit: Not at all suggesting only white working class people are behind the abuse, but I've read stuff rationalising that they voted to leave either because they were too stupid to understand what they were voting for, were hoodwinked by the media (again suggesting they're inherently stupid) or that because they've had enough of being "bottom of the pile," and just trying to work out if what you wrote is in any of these veins.
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coley
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While what has been happening in the UK is nowt short of disgustingly unacceptable,
how does it compare to other EU countries which haven't voted to leave?
FFS, when they do crawl out from under their respective stones the far right are so tiny in number and have to be protected by an equal number of plod.
The one thing I find distressing is the accounts of harassment where the public apparently turn away rather than confront it?
how does it compare to other EU countries which haven't voted to leave?
FFS, when they do crawl out from under their respective stones the far right are so tiny in number and have to be protected by an equal number of plod.
The one thing I find distressing is the accounts of harassment where the public apparently turn away rather than confront it?
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Ax^
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This ^
I get that folks don't want to put themselves at risk of harm and not everyone is in a situation where they can do a lot, but sometimes good old "British reserve" just won't do.
Some useful stuff here about what you can do as a bystander - also works for other types of hate crime. WHO, IF NOT YOU? How you can intervene when witnessing racist assaults
CRI
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"White working class folks don't see anybody as inferior."
Righty ho, you answered my question then. Cheers.
Edit: Ah, wasn't your post to start with. But do you REALLY believe white working class people don't experience racial privilege, at all? Do they really think they they are "directing their anger at the elitist establishment" when they engage in racist, homophobic or disablist abuse? Seriously?
coley
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Answered your 'edit' it would seem, and now seemingly your 'second' edit."White working class folks don't see anybody as inferior."
Righty ho, you answered my question then. Cheers.
Edit: Ah, wasn't your post to start with. But do you REALLY believe white working class people don't experience racial privilege, at all?
CRI
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Well, if you stick by your original post, yep, you have.
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