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Zero? Are you sure? My ability to influence events in Myanmar actually is zero; hers is somewhat higher than that wouldn't you think?
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purves grundy
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I never thought I'd see the Myanmar military so loved by the people!
krtek a houby
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She's said that "terrorism is new to Myanmar". Clearly that's bollocks, Suu Kyi. Your own father found that out. Not to mention the endless brutalisation of Rohingya.
purves grundy
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She's not losing much support in Myanmar over this though. Nor, more importantly, are the military. That doesn't affect right or wrong, but the chorus of righteous indignation in the west is feeding a very disturbing, uneven polarisation in Myanmar: a growing virulent, sometimes violent nationalist tendency fed by wealthy domestic interests, 'blood and soil' interpretations of Buddhism AND by an international press who a great many people in Myanmar feel are permanently one-sided and have wholly misrepresented the conflict; and on the other side, the ever-persecuted Rohingya. Between these, human rights advocates, politically-savvy individuals and monks, and non-Rohingya Muslims - the only ones who might be able to shift opinion on the ground - are being drowned out, effectively silenced. ASSK's leadership remains important but it's other factors which are generating an impossible climate for any sensible discussion of the Rohingya issue in Myanmar.
Sirena
Don't monkey with the buzzsaw
I think someone has decided to go for the final solution. The Rohingya attacks on the police stations probably triggered that.
It does feel a bit like the Tamil Tiger situation. Long after the Tigers had lost broad support from their people, they were still refusing to think in terms of anything other than military solutions. And so the Sri Lankans wiped them out....
It does feel a bit like the Tamil Tiger situation. Long after the Tigers had lost broad support from their people, they were still refusing to think in terms of anything other than military solutions. And so the Sri Lankans wiped them out....
doodlelogic
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Suu Kyi's subscribed to such an approach since at least 1985. See 'Intellectual Life in Burma and India under Colonialism'.
purves grundy
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She's never referred to the 'Buddhist race', as Buddhist nationalist groups do today. Her and her party were against the Race and Religion laws brought in during 2015. In short, she's no different to most practising Buddhists in Myanmar, including other democracy campaigners who were banged up by the military in the 1990s and 2000s. It's easy - and in some ways legitimate - to round on ASSK as she was such a human rights figurehead and raised expectations for post-junta Myanmar, but her stance is fairly representative of mainstream opinion.
trabuquera
Modesty Bag
This documentary, screened at Cannes this spring, looks into roots of anti-Muslim propaganda and attitudes in Myanmar by focusing on hate-preaching Buddhist monk Wirathu... I really want to see it - some excellent linkage, quotes and detail in this writeup
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/08/31/the-hateful-monk-venerable-w/
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/08/31/the-hateful-monk-venerable-w/
purves grundy
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DJWrongspeed
radio eros
Very poor response from the Western Media. All they see is "Nobel Peace Prize Winner remains silent." Most of the coverage seems to be about the West's outrage and the people fleeing without really looking at what is going on in the background.
The Lady is in a tricky spot that's for sure because the majority of Myanmar think it's all the fault of the muslims. She's also new to her role in govt where the military still call the shots. She could actually set back democracy by speaking out and troubling the military, her party have only very recently been given power.
Underlying all this is the fact that Myanmar has the world's longest running civil war. Rakhine is just one of many conflicts. Think of all the other refugees in Thailand because of the Shan conflict on the Eastern side. The Rohingya don't have citizen status, a concept alien to the West. It's similar to the Moken sea gypsies on the coast of Thailand I assume.
Anyway was prompted to write this because good ole Fergal Keane had been in Mandalay c/o BBC News touching a little on this and interviewing some pro-nationalist monks. The Buddhist aspect to the country is a whole other and important aspect to the story of course.
Would like to read anything more informed, I'm making some assumptions here based on my limited knowledge of the country.
The Lady is in a tricky spot that's for sure because the majority of Myanmar think it's all the fault of the muslims. She's also new to her role in govt where the military still call the shots. She could actually set back democracy by speaking out and troubling the military, her party have only very recently been given power.
Underlying all this is the fact that Myanmar has the world's longest running civil war. Rakhine is just one of many conflicts. Think of all the other refugees in Thailand because of the Shan conflict on the Eastern side. The Rohingya don't have citizen status, a concept alien to the West. It's similar to the Moken sea gypsies on the coast of Thailand I assume.
Anyway was prompted to write this because good ole Fergal Keane had been in Mandalay c/o BBC News touching a little on this and interviewing some pro-nationalist monks. The Buddhist aspect to the country is a whole other and important aspect to the story of course.
Would like to read anything more informed, I'm making some assumptions here based on my limited knowledge of the country.
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
This is on 8/9th October at the London Film Festival. Rather betrays religion as always aspiring to the virtuous. Even more ironic being Buddhists.
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
An extraordinary report from the excellent Jonathan Miller on Ch4News, he just stands there on the border watching the villages go up in flames....
Exodus of Rohingya refugees from Myanmar continues
Exodus of Rohingya refugees from Myanmar continues
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
No excuses or whatever, but I'm suprised there hasn't been more talk about the new wave of rebel/militant attacks by people returning to the country who were trained in Saudi Arabia who probably had a fair idea what would happen when they did so.
AnandLeo
Tipple Ripple
Aung San Suu Kyi is head of state of a power sharing government with the Myanmar army, after a long period of military rule of the country. She seems to be a democratically elected figurehead of the state. Myanmar army decides affairs of the Rohingya Muslims, and who knows what else. Myanmar army has come to a compromise with democratically elected leader for the sake of international image. Apparently the image of how the army deals with Rohingya Muslims is beyond that consideration. I’ll stop short of surmising the democratic opinion of the people of Myanmar regarding the Rohingya crisis, and the essential principles of any form of democratic government.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
My Grandad served in Burma for 12 years. His first introduction to the country was "policing" the Rangoon riots, where Burmese Buddhists had decided that local "Chinese" traders and Muslims were "taking all the jobs", and started killing them. Seems to happen every decade or so in Burma and, as my Grandad used to say, the Burmese tend to cleave to Buddhism like an Englishman cleaves to tea - to them it's a natural part of their life - of any life.
doodlelogic
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Even when she had nothing to lose, living in the UK and writing about Burma, she could write a whole book on the people and cultures of Burma where the sole mention of Muslims was their supposed propensity for cousin marriage.
I don't think she is actively hostile to the Rohingya, but they are not her people and not her cause. Like Gandhi working for Indians in South Africa - and choosing not to take up the wider cause of all the oppressed. She has achieved through great suffering the partial freedom of her people. Maybe she is too old to take up another cause.
I don't think she is actively hostile to the Rohingya, but they are not her people and not her cause. Like Gandhi working for Indians in South Africa - and choosing not to take up the wider cause of all the oppressed. She has achieved through great suffering the partial freedom of her people. Maybe she is too old to take up another cause.
bimble
floofy
i'm in bangladesh at the moment, and in my ignorance have to be quite careful what sort of questions i ask but a couple of impressions from here: There main highways in Dhaka are lined with hundreds of brand new banner- posters showing the prime minister (Sheikh Hasina) embracing a faceless (head covered and bowed) refugee under the legend "Mother Of Humanity".
People have said that everything here is political, including the very public 'embracing' of these muslim refugees, in a country whose secularism is extremely nominal (this is definitely to all intents and purposes definitely a Muslim nation (women have their heads covered, alcohol is prohibited etc), and the encroaching of religion and the views of religious pressure groups into every aspect of life with the collaboration of the current regime has apparently been speeding up and entrenching very noticeably in the last few years).
The newspaper this morning has an article about how the new arrivals will be housed on this godforsaken island:
It says that the reason its currently uninhabited is that at full moon the whole place is under water to waist hight, every month. Times of heavy rain (like today) or at high tide, the water is just up to your knees.
The article says 'modern technology' will solve this issue, somehow. If this is where they are planning to 'house' the refugees the mind boggles tbh.
People have said that everything here is political, including the very public 'embracing' of these muslim refugees, in a country whose secularism is extremely nominal (this is definitely to all intents and purposes definitely a Muslim nation (women have their heads covered, alcohol is prohibited etc), and the encroaching of religion and the views of religious pressure groups into every aspect of life with the collaboration of the current regime has apparently been speeding up and entrenching very noticeably in the last few years).
The newspaper this morning has an article about how the new arrivals will be housed on this godforsaken island:
It says that the reason its currently uninhabited is that at full moon the whole place is under water to waist hight, every month. Times of heavy rain (like today) or at high tide, the water is just up to your knees.
The article says 'modern technology' will solve this issue, somehow. If this is where they are planning to 'house' the refugees the mind boggles tbh.
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purves grundy
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Geldfof steps in to help by curtailing ASSK's right to drive her sheep across Ha'penny Bridge or whatever
Geldof returns Dublin honour over Suu Kyi
Geldof returns Dublin honour over Suu Kyi
krtek a houby
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"Her association with our city shames us all and we should have no truck with it, even by default. We honoured her, now she appalls and shames us."
Whatever one thinks of Geldof, he's got a point. And if it raises awareness for the Rohingya; I'm all for it.
Whatever one thinks of Geldof, he's got a point. And if it raises awareness for the Rohingya; I'm all for it.
purves grundy
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I think it's pathetic - an unsolicited award is taken back from its recipient, at a typically Geldofian media occasion. You can say it's raising awareness, but it's not like anyone with the most minimal clout to change the situation is unaware of what's happening in Rakhine State. Celebrity virtue signalling of the highest order.
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That is your opinion and I welcome it whilst not necessarily agreeing with.
pocketscience
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Good point. I suspect he doesn't want to offend members of his family and more importantly, the great British public, given that he resides there and not Dublin. can't be anything to do with record sales as he hasn't made a decent record since the rats.
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