Murder of Lyra McKee in Londonderry, Apr 18, 2019

[Baronage-Phase]

flyingcolumn
So you seem to be posting on your lunch breaks.

 

[planetgeli]

flyingcolumn
So you seem to be posting on your lunch breaks.

I thought he was between GCSEs to be fair.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I thought he was between GCSEs to be fair.

Don't be silly, he's mentally way too young to be doing GCSEs.

 

[Nigel]

No good Brit bastards and their apologists.

Is this satire !

 

[Idris2002]

 

[andysays]

Lyra McKee: Two Londonderry men charged with rioting

...Police believe the two men can be connected to the rioting by clothing shown on various sources of video footage, including the MTV material, which was described by the officer as "excellent". The prosecution lawyer said they believed that people in the area were using the filming of the MTV documentary, fronted by Reggie Yates, for their own purposes as "a propaganda operation"...

Seems to have gone well

 

[Sasaferrato]

For the benefit of those of us who have difficulty in differentiating the various flavours of murdering bastards, the Eye has published a helpful guide.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

For the benefit of those of us who have difficulty in differentiating the various flavours of murdering bastards, the Eye has published a helpful guide.

That's really not ok

 

[cupid_stunt]

That's really not ok

I must be missing something.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

I must be missing something.

The old IRA were not akin to nira.
The old IRA were those who were involved in 1916 and the civil war.
Nobody equates them with nira except the nira. They went in to receive military pensions from the state and medals.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The old IRA were not akin to nira.

I get that, but the NIRA is impersonating the original IRA, so the joke works for me.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

I get that, but the NIRA is impersonating the original IRA, so the joke works for me.

It looks to me like the "joke" is saying there is no difference between them.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It looks to me like the "joke" is saying there is no difference between them.

There isn't. Murdering scum is murdering scum. Oh, in case you are in any doubt about my impartiality, the same does for the Protestant murdering scum.

 

[Sasaferrato]

The old IRA were not akin to nira.
The old IRA were those who were involved in 1916 and the civil war.
Nobody equates them with nira except the nira. They went in to receive military pensions from the state and medals.

You don't see the problem with that? 'No one' is an absolute.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

You don't see the problem with that? 'No one' is an absolute.

Fact is the joke is equating the OIRA with the NIRA.
They are not the same.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

There isn't. Murdering scum is murdering scum. Oh, in case you are in any doubt about my impartiality, the same does for the Protestant murdering scum.

So in your mind the OIRA were just murdering scum?

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Just to educate ..
The Old IRA were those involved in the war of independence.
IRA Membership Series | Nominal Rolls | Search The Collection | Military Service Pensions Collection (1916 - 1923) | Online Collections | Collections | Military Archives

Most Irish people have ancestry in the Old IRA.

 

[Fallon]

The aims of the Old IRA are no different than the New. I don't support the 'newer version' but can't be hypocritical either. The only difference is the Old IRA were successful in achieving independence for 26 counties, so are looked on more favourably by that state.

 

[Pickman's model]

Just to educate ..[...]
The Old IRA were those involved in the war of independence
Most Irish people have ancestry in the Old IRA.

Tosh
Do you have an actual source to substantiate this?

E2A on reflection there may be most Irish people with often distant familial links to people in the ra. But actually descended from, i would be extremely surprised

 

[Pickman's model]

The old IRA were not akin to nira.
The old IRA were those who were involved in 1916 and the civil war.
Nobody equates them with nira except the nira. They went in to receive military pensions from the state and medals.

I hope your they went in should be they went on

 

[Fedayn]

This is an excellent article from Tommy Mckearney. From a Republican family, a former Volunteer, former OC of East Tyrone Brigade, a former blanketman, was on the 1980 Hunger Strike, a founder, in the H Blocks, of the League of Communist Republicans, latterly a writer and organiser of the Independent Workers Union of Ireland. His credentials as a republican, working class activist and revolutionary are impeccable and imho his arguments bang on.

Reckless isolated groups should vacate the stage

 

[editor]

This is an excellent article from Tommy Mckearney. From a Republican family, a former Volunteer, former OC of East Tyrone Brigade, a former blanketman, was on the 1980 Hunger Strike, a founder, in the H Blocks, of the League of Communist Republicans, latterly a writer and organiser of the Independent Workers Union of Ireland. Jis credentials as a republican, working class activist and revolutionary are impeccable and a mho his arguments bang on.

Reckless isolated groups should vacate the stage

That is an excellent piece.

 

[planetgeli]

All very well but he calls it the Creggan, thus completely negating his argument.

You keep calling it "the Creggan". Something which Brits and Loyalists do.

 

[likesfish]

That's really not ok

tbf the old ira could refer to
the nazi supporting ira
the borders campaign ira
Pira
can't belive its not the ira

 

[Baronage-Phase]

tbf the old ira could refer to
the nazi supporting ira
the borders campaign ira
Pira
can't belive its not the ira

No actually the Old IRA refers to the Old IRA...

See post #347 and read the link.

 

[Pickman's model]

No actually the OIRA refers to the Old IRA.

See post #347 and read the link.

More usually the official IRA. The IRA of the 1916-23 era didn't of course disband - the order at the end of the civil war was 'dump arms' - and there's a clear genealogy from the IRA of Tom Barry and Dan Breen through the ira of Tom Barry, Frank Ryan, Charlie Kerins and Harry White to the border campaign, the 1969 split, down to inla, the cira and the nira. It's not like the nira came out of nowhere.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

More usually the official IRA. The IRA of the 1916-23 era didn't of course disband - the order at the end of the civil war was 'dump arms' - and there's a clear genealogy from the IRA of Tom Barry and Dan Breen through the ira of Tom Barry, Frank Ryan, Charlie Kerins and Harry White to the border campaign, the 1969 split, down to inla, the cira and the nira. It's not like the nira came out of nowhere.

Yeah. I know.
They are a splinter group. A tiny splinter group.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah. I know.
They are a splinter group. A tiny splinter group.

Yes. They are. A tiny splinter group which can trace its roots back through other tiny splinter groups to at least 1913

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Yes. They are. A tiny splinter group which can trace its roots back through other tiny splinter groups to at least 1913

So?
Humans trace back to apes...doesnt mean we have to go back to that.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say bar that you believe they have a legitimate cause?

Most people in Eire would like a united Ireland....but we have moved beyond the bullet towards the ballot. There will be a time when the majority in NI will also want a united Ireland and that this will come about through peaceful negotiated means.

Eire 94% and NI 71% (81.1% turn out in NI) want peace. That is what people on the island of Ireland voted on in the Belfast Agreement.

 

[likesfish]

No actually the Old IRA refers to the Old IRA...

See post #347 and read the link.

among republicans everybody else doesnt care