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killer b said:
They need the support of their members, that's all.
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Well, I don't agree with that, for the reasons I gave but, even if I did, the fact is that some of the members are no longer supporting the strike, and we can only hope that this doesn't impact on it.

Also, support from outside really helps the junior doctors themselves to stay on side, as it were.
 
There doesn't seem to be any polling more recent than February that I can find, but IIRC from the last one I saw support falls from around 75% for emergency care only to around 50% for all out, and I know a lot of drs are unsure about all out stoppages because they don't want people to die - so it's not surprising that you're seeing a drop in support. I'm still unclear what more public support would achieve - industrial disputes are often very unpopular. The tube drivers would be working 80 hour weeks for minimum wage if they gave a fuck about public support.
 
I get the pleasure of running my hospital at night all next week (the medical service anyway) : so I get the hospital back each of those two days post strike.

I'm expecting the take (people referred in from ED) to be OK as everyone will have been seen by consultants straight away which is much more efficient than normal practice. Less will be referred in by ED as they will have senior decision makers being able to send more home. And then on the other side once people are referred in by ED or Gps they will be seen by Acute medical consultants, which will be much more streamlined.

The sick people on the wards will be where the risk lies, I feel.
 
kropotkin said:
I get the pleasure of running my hospital at night all next week (the medical service anyway) : so I get the hospital back each of those two days post strike.

I'm expecting the take (people referred in from ED) to be OK as everyone will have been seen by consultants straight away which is much more efficient than normal practice. Less will be referred in by ED as they will have senior decision makers being able to send more home. And then on the other side once people are referred in by ED or Gps they will be seen by Acute medical consultants, which will be much more streamlined.

The sick people on the wards will be where the risk lies, I feel.
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Do you get any sense of support for the action falling away? What can we do to keep support going?
 
'Lukewarm' support from Benn on A/Q, '"the shadow cabinet will not be on the picket line on Tuesday"

The hands up' vote didn't go well either in removal of emergency care option,

the JD's have a big fight on their hands.
 
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Benn is a total cunt, he has BUPA so he doesn't give a shit either way how the rest of us or the Junior Docs suffer. I bet a good number of decent Labour people will be on the picket line
 
Anyone just see that doctor (I didn't catch her full name) being interviewed by Clive Myrie on BBC News? The demolition of Hunt's policy was so thorough they are probably already on the phone to complain about BBC bias.
 
E-mailed from NHA Party:

This week, on Tuesday and Wednesday, the junior doctors will hold their first ever all out strike in the history of the NHS.

I and my fellow consultants across the country, along with staff at all levels, will be providing emergency cover to ensure that anyone in hospital, or coming to hospital in an emergency, will be properly cared for.

I am writing to ask you to share through all the channels you have, email, twitter, Facebook, conversations with friends and family, a notice in your window to spread the word that it is perfectly safe to go to hospital or your GP on these strike days.

I have put my name to this letter which has been signed by 2,500 consultants, GPs and senior doctors to show that the junior doctors have our support and that we will care for you whilst they act in the best interests of the NHS as a whole by standing up to the government.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/23/junior-doctors-strike-will-not-put-patients-at-risk-senior-medics-say

We must keep our focus on the fact that the imposition of an unsafe contract will mean worse care in the future for all. And that the NHS is being slowly dismantled and privatised, as it moves towards being a two tier service.

If you are fighting for the NHS as a public service, then please support the junior doctors. I'll be providing cover and it will be great to know you are providing support, too, on picket lines, with messages of support, a beep from your car as you drive by, whatever way you can. Striking isn't easy. Everything you can do will help.

Thank you

Dr Clive Peedell
NHA Party leader


A MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC FROM BMA JUNIOR DOCTORS IN LONDON
DEMONSTRATION AT 5PM ON THE 26TH APRIL
DOCTORS, TEACHERS, NHS WORKERS AND PUBLIC STANDING TOGETHER

As a member of the BMA Junior Doctors Committee and rally co-organiser I write to invite all interested public, workers and fellow trade-unionists to attend our London rally at the end of our strike action this coming Tuesday.
Junior Doctors in England will be escalating their strike action to a full withdrawal of labour; between 8am and 5pm on Tuesday 26th April and Wednesday 27th April. Other senior doctors and staff will continue to provide safe care for patients during this time.
At 5pm on Tuesday 26th we will march from St Thomas’ Hospital, proceeding across Westminster Bridge to the Dept of Health. We shall hold a mass rally at 6pm outside the Department of Health (opposite Downing St). The NHS students of “Bursary or Bust”, who have stood by us through thick and thin, will be with us.
We are especially honoured to be joined by the National Union of Teachers in calling this demonstration. Their solidarity for us will never be forgotten, and shall be reciprocated in kind.
This Government is attempting to impose a contract upon the medical profession which would effectively signal the destruction of safe terms and conditions throughout the NHS. The same government is at this moment preparing to escalate its insidious attacks on the working conditions of teachers, health workers and other public sector workers.
It is clear that this Government is intent on ripping apart the social fabric which binds this country together.
We 50,000 junior doctors, and we 1 million NHS workers, will not let them get away with it.
Stand with us.
Let’s make this a historic moment.

Dr Yannis Gortsoyannis
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Gerhard Lohmann-Bond, 62: ‘I am happy to put my life on hold to support them’

Four days ago I got a letter from my consultant saying that they had found a lesion on my kidney and I have had blood tests done as a matter of urgency. This is potentially a very threatening condition and in normal circumstances I would get a scan done post-haste. However, I don’t expect anything to happen while the junior doctors are out on strike. If the strike is extended then I don’t know what will happen.

I saw that junior doctor resign on ITV this morning, and if he is willing to put his career at risk then I am willing to support him. If I can do that by putting my own life on hold for a short while then I am only too happy to do that. If we want to have a full service whereby routine work is done on the weekends at hospitals then we need to have the staff to do the work. It’s not just junior doctors but all ancillary services, including management – everything that makes a hospital tick. If the government insists on making this work then they need to pump in considerable funds, which they are not prepared to do. In the absence of those funds the burden will be placed on the backs of people who are already working their guts out. I’ve heard people comment that doctors are earning really good money but they should be paid well for the gruelling work that they do.

Is the junior doctors’ strike justified? | The panel
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Pretty amazing this.
 
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A&E's were quiet yesterday, doesn't this tell you something ?

Why not tell the public not visit A&E during the day on tuesdays or thursdays in future. When there was a winter crisis recently there was a similar public announcement about only going to A&E in an emergency (that's what it's there for?) that had similar results to the strike.

A&E is an expensive form of treatment.
 
DJWrongspeed said:
A&E's were quiet yesterday, doesn't this tell you something ?

Why not tell the public not visit A&E during the day on tuesdays or thursdays in future. When there was a winter crisis recently there was a similar public announcement about only going to A&E in an emergency (that's what it's there for?) that had similar results to the strike.

A&E is an expensive form of treatment.
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Yeah people do misuse A&E but the strike isn't really about junior doctors in emergency care so not quite sure what your point is?
 
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Had a great time at the Lewisham Hospital picket line. First thing that happened is some chap came over to me, grabbed my arm, and started telling me, in an American accent, about his friend Woody Guthrie, and then he started singing to me. This happened because I am wearing a t-shirt which says "This is what a trade unionist looks like".

Then I noticed a gathering crowd so I took a photo of the person they were listening to, even though I couldn't hear what he was saying. I assumed he was going to be a trade union activist or politician. Turns out to be a doctor who was in the final of the Great British Bake Off last year. He was eating cakes made by the junior doctors :)
 
Ohh Dr. Tamal from Bake-off is lovely. :oops::thumbs:
I've spent all morning on Facebook putting people right over the junior doctor strike.
Think I'm going to have to have a cull again tonight.
 
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