How much do you think doctors should get paid?

[Riklet]

Striking is about our wages. It’s not about ‘saving the NHS’ or patient safety. We’ve been very clear about that this time round.

Low eroded wages contribute to lack of doctors (being trained, staying here, moving here) and over reliance on overtime. In most industries. But in something as important as the health system it's even more pressing. There is clearly a safety issue and this was explored in a recent Junior Doctor letter I read.

I feel like you maybe feel bad and or guilty and thus started this thread? I think youre quite brave in discussing it here! I dont mean to make you feel bad or guilty so sorry if I have given that tone. If solidarity doesnt seem relevant to you now I very much doubt anyone here is going to change your mind.

 

[Edie]

Low eroded wages contribute to lack of doctors (being trained, staying here, moving here) and over reliance on overtime. In most industries. But in something as important as the health system it's even more pressing. There is clearly a safety issue and this was explored in a recent Junior Doctor letter I read.

I feel like you maybe feel bad and or guilty and thus started this thread? I think youre quite brave in discussing it here! I dont mean to make you feel bad or guilty so sorry if I have given that tone. If solidarity doesnt seem relevant to you now I very much doubt anyone here is going to change your mind.

Solidarity is very relevant to me. Don’t forget the hours and hours we spend together. We face challenges on the wards, we pick each other up when crying, we support each other thro exams, we do night shifts together, we’re on crash teams together, we grab sleep in the mess on chairs pulled together.

Doctors I went to Med school with are now consultants or GPs (I took the long route round as per fucking usual), but the solidarity in the profession is real.

So yes I do feel guilty. But you are wrong to say that IA doesn’t cause harm. And I don’t think junior doctors are as deserving as our union makes out cos the BMA spins like fucking mad.

 

[scifisam]

Striking is about our wages. It’s not about ‘saving the NHS’ or patient safety. We’ve been very clear about that this time round.

The current wages despite the level of responsibility absolutely impact upon patient safety, though. It means lower retention rates and less continuity of care. In London it also often means extremely long commute times on top of working hours because they can't afford to live here.

 

[kalidarkone]

Striking is about our wages. It’s not about ‘saving the NHS’ or patient safety. We’ve been very clear about that this time round.

It is about patient safety in the long term though. Dr's are leaving the country in order to get better pay and terms and conditions elsewhere= Dr shortage = impossible fire fighting jobs= burnt out docs etc.

Surely you can't deny the long term knock on effect it has/ is having?

 

[Edie]

It is about patient safety in the long term though. Dr's are leaving the country in order to get better pay and terms and conditions elsewhere= Dr shortage = impossible fire fighting jobs= burnt out docs etc.

Surely you can't deny the long term knock on effect it has/ is having?

Sure. Of course. Just wanted to be clear about the overall tone of the strike. It’s not altruism about the NHS. It’s pay us what we are worth or we will leave.

 

[Gromit]

Sure. Of course. Just wanted to be clear about the overall tone of the strike. It’s not altruism about the NHS. It’s pay us what we are worth or we will leave.

Why isn't it altruism to want to be a part of a well staffed, fully funded, proper functioning service? Pay is a mechanism towards that.

Just because you yourself will benefit you aren't being altruistic?
And I don't see it as them benefiting but instead as them finally not suffering. Workers finally having enough of taking the hit for their modern day slave masters.

 

[Edie]

Why isn't it altruism to want to be a part of a well staffed, fully funded, proper functioning service? Pay is a mechanism towards that.

Just because you yourself will benefit you aren't being altruistic?
And I don't see it as them benefiting but instead as them finally not suffering. Workers finally having enough of taking the hit for their modern day slave masters.

Sure- I mean it’s all entangled anyway, and different doctors will have different balances of motivations. What’s for sure is no one wants an underperforming, stressful and failing service.

This thread absolutely nails a lot of issues and ties them together:

 

[Callie]

Just asked one of my consultant colleagues how it went during IA for them and got two fingers and a mouthed F off so well, I think

I’m sure it’ll be the keyboards that periodically (ie every time you actually want to use them) instruct you to disinfect that will have done it.

Edit: the keyboard!!!!
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those fucking keyboards!!!!!

We had them in the lab for a while. I think they got thrown out of if the window in a fit of rage

I assumed they had gone out if existence. I wonder if they actually help infection control wise? Or they just raise people's blood pressure?!!

 

[Edie]

those fucking keyboards!!!!!

We had them in the lab for a while. I think they got thrown out of if the window in a fit of rage

I assumed they had gone out if existence. I wonder if they actually help infection control wise? Or they just raise people's blood pressure?!!

I knew this would trigger a ptsd response in someone Callie

They do the square root of fuck all towards infection control obviously. But so do plastic aprons