Junior doctors strike back on

[DotCommunist]

whats the betting he will solidly ignore the negotiating space and just keep lying through his teeth the chinless twat

 

[killer b]

He was due to make some kind of announcement at 4.30 anyway I think.

 

[brogdale]

whats the betting he will solidly ignore the negotiating space and just keep lying through his teeth the chinless twat

Almost certainly, but it will be at some political cost...particularly with the Oct strike dates already set.

 

[existentialist]

whats the betting he will solidly ignore the negotiating space and just keep lying through his teeth the chinless twat

That's exactly what he'll do. Which is why I think the statement is quite good - if Hunt doesn't do something substantive to acknowledge it, he is wide open to accusations of operating in bad faith. Time will tell as to whether that's a problem or not to him.

 

[treelover]

Suspended.

Shrewd and balanced Statement.

 

[two sheds]

I saw that junior doctors had been threatened with being struck off if they strike. Strange how withdrawing your labour for five days is threatening patient safety but withdrawing doctors' labour permanently isn't.

 

[existentialist]

I saw that junior doctors had been threatened with being struck off if they strike. Strange how withdrawing your labour for five days is threatening patient safety but withdrawing doctors' labour permanently isn't.

Yeah. That's what is so shit about this whole business.

Suppose the JDs did just roll over and agree to the new contract?

First of all, there's nothing to suggest that this is a one-shot deal - "let's get this Junior Doctor contract anomaly sorted out, and the NHS can continue as it should have done". If they capitulate, then the government is going to go after other groups of health professionals in order to force them to accept more onerous conditions; and we have no reason to suggest that a vindictive government won't go back to the junior doctors for a second bit of the cherry, and so on...

But more nauseatingly, the likely effect would be to make a profession that, thanks to university tuition fees and the scrapping of grants, is increasingly struggling to recruit trainees, and struggling even more to retain them, even more stretched. It takes 9 years to get someone from entering university to being fit to practice even as a junior doctor, which means the damage being done now will only come into full bloom that far down the line. And it will take a further 9 years following any subsequent government doing something about it before the problem is resolved. We've already seen this with the cockup the Thatcher government made in botching up training placements for medics, which resulted in a shortage of doctors some 5+ years afterwards.

It's not even about whether we want an NHS. If we want to produce our own doctors, rather than asset-stripping poorer countries of theirs, as we have done in the past - doctors, nurses, all kinds of professions - then we need to make sure we're making it an attractive enough profession that competent, capable people who can complete the training and then work effectively want to become doctors. It's not the sort of job you can send someone from the Jobcentre to go and do on a zero-hours contract, with in-service training, as the government fondly seems to imagine is the way to resolve any labour situation.

 

[two sheds]

still, people can always take out private insurance and get all the medical care they need as the NHS is run into the ground

 

[existentialist]

still, people can always take out private insurance and get all the medical care they need as the NHS is run into the ground

Well, yes, though I wonder where they're going to get the doctors from?

This is turning into NHS dentistry all over again, and look how well that turned out

The rise of DIY dentistry: Britons doing their own fillings to avoid NHS bill

Success for Dentaid’s First UK Project | Dentaid

 

[weltweit]

Junior doctors have called off the first 5 day strike as they felt hospitals had not had enough time to prepare.

 

[two sheds]

Well, yes, though I wonder where they're going to get the doctors from?

This is turning into NHS dentistry all over again, and look how well that turned out

The rise of DIY dentistry: Britons doing their own fillings to avoid NHS bill

Success for Dentaid’s First UK Project | Dentaid

My last NHS visit a couple of months ago was a clean and a bit of a filling - cost me £60 I think it was for about 10 minutes. The filling's since come out.

 

[existentialist]

My last NHS visit a couple of months ago was a clean and a bit of a filling - cost me £60 I think it was for about 10 minutes. The filling's since come out.

Mine's about 45 minutes' drive away, and any attendance for treatment invariably involves one, or two initial visits while they prod and poke and prescribe antibiotics. With each trip costing about £10 in fuel. And the last time I had a tooth needing extracting, she refused to do it and said it'd have to be done in hospital. So I ended up paying a private dentist to do it - £85, and it was out in 2 minutes.

But I can't afford to keep paying private dentists.

And if the situation got like that with doctors...well, I wouldn't be seeing the doctor for much, either.

 

[treelover]

The committee’s decision to stage week-long total withdrawals of junior doctor labour across the NHS in England each month until December had prompted such anger that McCourt even received death threats over what some saw as a reckless and indefensible course of action. However, she has not indicated whether those threats came from fellow junior doctors or members of the public.

McCourt revealed in a message she posted on a junior doctors’ Facebook message site on Sunday: “My 64-year-old retired mother has had the press camped outside her house. JDC members’ lives have been splashed across the papers. And I have received threats to my life.” That followed several days of hostile coverage in several newspapers of the planned strikes and of BMA leaders who had endorsed them.

BMA calls off September junior doctors' strike after 'scores' of protests

Looks like the J/D's, well, the BMA JD committee, are getting the sort of press attention that other strike leaders have come to expect.

 

[killer b]

They've been getting that kind of attention since before the first strike.

 

[treelover]

Gone now, but it looks as if the BMA may be setting up support groups at last.

 

[Guineveretoo]

It is all off, it would seem.

Junior doctors call off five-day strikes over contracts - BBC News

 

[teqniq]

Junior doctors fail in high court challenge of new contract's legality

 

[treelover]

 

[mwgdrwg]

Why call the strike off beofre the high court outcome is known?

 

[killer b]

There wasn't enough support for the strike among the Jr's. Two separate things.

The court case was always a waste of time in any case imo

 

[Guineveretoo]

BREAKING: The junior doctors just LOST their High Court battle against Jeremy Hunt | The Canary

 

[NoXion]

FUCK

 

[brogdale]