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I wonder what will happen now. Does the BMA have the stomach for a continued fight, particularly in view of the EU referendum result, but also because the BMA recommended the proposals to their membership, presumably as the best they could achieve.

Also, I understand that the NHS has already been rolling out these contracts, which calls in to question the whole validity of these negotiations, and whether the government cared about what the BMA said.

Bastards. (the government, not the junior doctors).

Things are going to get even worse for junior doctors if we leave the EU - the government strongly objected to the Working Time Regulations applying to doctors, and fought its implementation all the way.
 
The most important thing that will happen will happen quietly, out of the public gaze, and quietly. In fact, it won't be something happening, so much as something not happening.

Because the effect of this assault on this profession will be to discourage people from joining it. Or, if they join it, from working for the NHS or even in the UK. As the Guardian article mentions, this action by Hunt has sowed great mistrust amongst doctors (and, no doubt, other health professionals), and will have made even fewer people consider being a medic as a good career choice.

Of course, Hunt and Co don't need to worry about this, because by the time the full impact of a doctor shortage hits, in 5-10 years time, he'll be sitting on a few non-executive directorships, and the health service will be no more than a distant memory to him...although it doubtless won't prevent his successors from sneering at whatever governmental action is being taken to square that particular service.

I can only hope that Malawana's departure paves the way for a successor who is prepared to continue the fight: ultimately, the doctors hold the whip hand here, and if they chose to, could push back very firmly against the government.
 
existentialist said:
The most important thing that will happen will happen quietly, out of the public gaze, and quietly. In fact, it won't be something happening, so much as something not happening.

Because the effect of this assault on this profession will be to discourage people from joining it. Or, if they join it, from working for the NHS or even in the UK. As the Guardian article mentions, this action by Hunt has sowed great mistrust amongst doctors (and, no doubt, other health professionals), and will have made even fewer people consider being a medic as a good career choice.

Of course, Hunt and Co don't need to worry about this, because by the time the full impact of a doctor shortage hits, in 5-10 years time, he'll be sitting on a few non-executive directorships, and the health service will be no more than a distant memory to him...although it doubtless won't prevent his successors from sneering at whatever governmental action is being taken to square that particular service.

I can only hope that Malawana's departure paves the way for a successor who is prepared to continue the fight: ultimately, the doctors hold the whip hand here, and if they chose to, could push back very firmly against the government.
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There is already an issue about people not joining the profession, and people leaving it early and/or emigrating because they are so pissed off with how badly treated they are in the UK.

Other health professionals are watching this keenly, because everyone knows that it is their turn next/soon.

However, I don't see how the junior doctors do have the whip hand here, because it is really easy for the government to impose this new contract on juniors. The same is not true of the consultants' contract negotiations, but juniors tend to move jobs frequently, in order to continue their training and prepare them to become a consultant.

I understand that some Trusts are already offering the new contract.
 
Guineveretoo said:
There is already an issue about people not joining the profession, and people leaving it early and/or emigrating because they are so pissed off with how badly treated they are in the UK.

Other health professionals are watching this keenly, because everyone knows that it is their turn next/soon.

However, I don't see how the junior doctors do have the whip hand here, because it is really easy for the government to impose this new contract on juniors. The same is not true of the consultants' contract negotiations, but juniors tend to move jobs frequently, in order to continue their training and prepare them to become a consultant.

I understand that some Trusts are already offering the new contract.
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The government can impose the contract, yes, but I suspect that junior doctors are amongst the more mobile of the public sector employees this government appears to have declared war on (along with all the other social groups).

They'll vote with their feet - which, as you point out, they have already started doing.
 
Hunt imposes the contract, hides it under the Chilcot report

The junior doctor contract will be imposed on medics in England, following the profession's rejection of the terms, ministers have confirmed.

The decision was widely expected, after British Medical Association members voted 58% to 42% against accepting the deal, agreed by government and union negotiators in May.

The BMA had urged them to accept it.

Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said doctors would start moving on to the contract in the coming months.

Most of the profession should be on it by autumn next year, he added.
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This morning at about 6:40 am, on the almost always shite BBC Breakfast, Ben Thompson** decided to treat the excellent BMA Junior Doctors leader as if she was 'holding the country to ransom' (R, TM).

He interrogated her utterly aggressively, repeatedly 'demanding' that she justify putting patients lives at risk. And he kept interrupting her, too. Her calm point, also repeated, that the Government could stop the strike immediately was ignored.

**I mixed him up with the evangelical Christian Dan Walker, also annoying/useless on BBC Breakfast. And I don't care :p ;)
 
Dogsauce said:
The lickspittle BBC are running with "Medical Leaders Critisise Strikes Plan" and quote a few think-tanks that are against the strike, without explaining who they are or what their agendas are. Piss poor.
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I saw that, and this is the 3rd or 4th sentence -

The Academy of Medical Royal Colleges said it was "disappointed" and the proposed strikes were disproportionate.

The British Medical Association said it was "absolutely behind" the action.
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No agenda to that headline, nosireebob.
 
Blazing row with tory councillor last night. Do they email them a scrip of lines to take ...militant doctors holding the country to ransom...(58% of junior Doctors are militant :rolleyes: really?)...need to move to a 7 day a week NHS ( when my Brothers wife nearly died before the 1st strike it was the junior doctor that kept her alive all weekend before the scans and surgeons turned up Monday morning)..and then the fucker gloated about his private healthcare:mad:


The Opposition seriously needs to sort it shit out and start opposing.


The whole thing is not going to end well, May's Cabinet would have been a perfect non face-losing opportunity to get rid of Hunt, as is NHS gets further trashed and the the tries continue unopposed:(:mad:
 
gosub said:
The whole thing is not going to end well, May's Cabinet would have been a perfect non face-losing opportunity to get rid of Hunt, as is NHS gets further trashed and the the tries continue unopposed:(:mad:
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I've been wondering about this (as someone who has no insight whatsoever): would things have been markedly different if someone had replaced Hunt? This is the party's agenda, not some personal crusade of Hunt's, isn't it?
 
Lord Camomile said:
I've been wondering about this (as someone who has no insight whatsoever): would things have been markedly different if someone had replaced Hunt? This is the party's agenda, not some personal crusade of Hunt's, isn't it?
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its not just Hunt's crusade no. Remember the health and social care act 2012? Lansly not hunt. It's a pretty naked running down of the service so it can eventually be privatised. They want health precarity as well as housing precarity for the w/c. Keeps us under heel. Plus they want the land, they want the buildings and they want the profits to be made milking working people. They look at the US and they see the profits made. Its obscene how obvious this is. Same pattern, every time.
 
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