Junior doctors strike back on

[Mr.Bishie]

Self serving shit.

Cockburns?

 

[Sprocket.]

Hunt is perfectly correct in imposing what is a perfectly reasonable contract. Have you had a 13% pay rise recently?

Hunt had a 10% one last year, plus another £1000 this week.

 

[Sprocket.]

And hunt don't work weekends, mind he might soon when his mates drop him!

 

[Sasaferrato]

What I cannot understand is how posters and people outside in the world can only see this as:
Scummy middle class spoilt doctors holding the country's sick to ransom over money.
And not:
The latest attack on the NHS which as been ongoing since the 1970s.
When all the doctors have left, become teachers or working in a call centre, the NHS collapses, the tories say, see told you so, sell what's left to their mates, get seats on the board and retire to spend their ill gotten gains on skiing and golf just to rub the poor, unemployed former NHS staff's noses in it.
They have done this to the shipyards, the docks, the steel industry, the print industry, the coal industry, anyone who stands up against them.
Remember in 84, they gave the police a massive pay rise to beat the miners?
Looks like the police may well be next.
Chickens coming home to roost.
They are starting to put the skids under them already.

I can recall working 17 twelve hour night shifts in a row in Berlin, with a critically ill patient, because I was the only ICU trained nurse in the hospital. I didn't earn one penny extra, and couldn't have been compelled to do it. I did it because I cared. Unlike our current crop of junior doctors it seems.

 

[two sheds]

I can recall working 17 twelve hour night shifts in a row in Berlin, with a critically ill patient, because I was the only ICU trained nurse in the hospital. I didn't earn one penny extra, and couldn't have been compelled to do it. I did it because I cared. Unlike our current crop of junior doctors it seems.

So everyone should work 12-hour shifts with unpaid overtime?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Drop the Army/Civi Medic crap Sass

 

[ViolentPanda]

No. That they are stating fact.

The striking doctors are scum. No other word adequately describes them.

Piss up a rope, you antediluvian shit-wit. They're employees. Their employer is threatening to unilaterally impose a change in their T & Cs on them. They have as much right as any other employee to take industrial action, you worm.

 

[Sprocket.]

I can recall working 17 twelve hour night shifts in a row in Berlin, with a critically ill patient, because I was the only ICU trained nurse in the hospital. I didn't earn one penny extra, and couldn't have been compelled to do it. I did it because I cared. Unlike our current crop of junior doctors it seems.

And I tip my hat to you for your dedication and service. Respect!
But sadly I have seen a lot of hard working people and whole communities devastated and left to rot by a set of people carrying on the class war they instigated.
Too many times workers have been pushed into action that ultimately leads to their demise and ridicule.
I fear this is the latest round.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No. The ameoba brained shit are those who took training place from someone who would have become a doctor because they actually wanted to care for patients.

Try not to be more of a reactionary twat than you usually are.
Much of the impulse behind the resistance to the contract Cunt is offering, is precisely to do with patient care. Just because you could nurse without killing someone over a 12 or 18 hour shift without killing someone, doesn't mean that a doctor, administering more complex treatment, could - or would want to be in the position to. Yours is the worst kind of whiny "it did me no harm, therefore it's fine" bullshit.

 

[Sprocket.]

By the way I once worked everyday for six months without extra pay to keep people in a job, the benefit of fellow workers. I still got made redundant too. For 18 years service I got £4,370.
But I am still supporting the doctors because ultimately the NHS is the target!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hunt is perfectly correct in imposing what is a perfectly reasonable contract. Have you had a 13% pay rise recently?

Except that it isn't a 13% pay rise, when you factor in the various wrinkles and conditionalities.

 

[brogdale]

I can recall working 17 twelve hour night shifts in a row in Berlin, with a critically ill patient, because I was the only ICU trained nurse in the hospital. I didn't earn one penny extra, and couldn't have been compelled to do it. I did it because I cared. Unlike our current crop of junior doctors it seems.

The sort of negative solidarity that betrays a bitter, reactionary outlook.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Drop the Army/Civi Medic crap Sass

Fuck knows I use the NHS a LOT, and I REALLY don't want to be treated by over-worked, exhausted, resentful registrars and house officers.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The sort of negative solidarity that betrays a bitter, reactionary outlook.

"Bitter" and "reactionary" are perfect characterisations.

 

[coley]

Playing low paid PS workers off against NHS junior doctors - 0/5

What is the average pay of a junior doctor? And just what is a junior doctor?

 

[coley]

Try not to be more of a reactionary twat than you usually are.
Much of the impulse behind the resistance to the contract Cunt is offering, is precisely to do with patient care. Just because you could nurse without killing someone over a 12 or 18 hour shift without killing someone, doesn't mean that a doctor, administering more complex treatment, could - or would want to be in the position to. Yours is the worst kind of whiny "it did me no harm, therefore it's fine" bullshit.

Aye, while agreeing with most of the comments on here, try getting an out of hours GP emergency referral, after god knows how many minutes you spend negotiating the various menus you end up talking to some undertrained operative in what used to be 999,who then takes your "details" the only emergency response you will get is, A, your not breathing, B,you are bleeding uncontrollably C, you appear to be deid. If you aren't in AB or C you will then be informed a doctor will contact you, but due to " high levels of demand" it will be at least four hours before this can happen, and it is then suggested you make your own way to the local A&E unit.
As much as I like to see the boot put into the Tories, this crap became common after the Blair GPs settlement.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Coward Hunt Fails Miserably

 

[Guineveretoo]

Except that it isn't a 13% pay rise, when you factor in the various wrinkles and conditionalities.

It isn't a pay rise at all!

The whole point about this is that government are trying to impose a contract which has doctors working MORE hours for the same, or less, money.

The nonsense about the excessive pay rise is because they are, in effect, removing overtime pay, and weekend rates, from doctors at the same time as telling them that they have got to work more weekends with less compensatory leave.

And one of the reasons why it's shit for all health workers is that doctors are limited in what they can do at weekends without all the other health professionals. Hence the knowledge that Hunt is after their terms and conditions as well.

Add to that the fact that there is already 7 day working in the NHS, and that the statistic that says people are more likely to die if they're admitted at weekends is wrong.

 

[BigTom]

No. The ameoba brained shit are those who took training place from someone who would have become a doctor because they actually wanted to care for patients.

98% voted for strike, 99% for action short of strike. 76% turnout. You think between three quarters and virtually all of the junior doctors shouldn't be in the nhs. Have a word with yourself this morning eh?

 

[bimble]

What is the average pay of a junior doctor? And just what is a junior doctor?

Junior doctor is the word for everyone below the level of consultant. The years it takes to get to consultant varies but is upwards of 8. Starting salaries for junior docs is about 24k a year, rising as you progress.
If Sasaferrato is correct and the doctors nowadays are all a bunch of moneygrubbing selfish cunts then they're very stupid ones, because they're all in the wrong profession, they should've used their tiny 'amoeba brains' to pick law, or advertising or something, instead.

The changes being pushed scare me because of what I've learnt from the junior doc I know about his existing hours and working conditions: He's already, most days, working many hours unpaid overtime as the only NHS clinical child & adolescent psychiatrist on duty for vast swathes of London, meaning that if you were to have a psychotic breakdown anywhere in the south of the city he's the one who'd be expected to be there and make a call on what to do. A responsibility like that should not rest on someone who is severely sleep deprived & surviving on crisps and snickers bars.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Junior doctor is the word for everyone below the level of consultant. The years it takes to get to consultant varies but is upwards of 8. Starting salaries for junior docs is about 24k a year, rising as you progress.
If Sasaferrato is correct and the doctors nowadays are all a bunch of moneygrubbing selfish cunts then they're very stupid ones, because they're all in the wrong profession, they should've used their tiny 'amoeba brains' to pick law, or advertising or something, instead.

The changes being pushed scare me because of what I've learnt from the junior doc I know about his existing hours and working conditions: He's already, most days, working many hours unpaid overtime as the only NHS clinical child & adolescent psychiatrist on duty for vast swathes of London, meaning that if you were to have a psychotic breakdown anywhere in the south of the city he's the one who'd be expected to be there and make a call on what to do. A responsibility like that should not rest on someone who is severely sleep deprived & surviving on crisps and snickers bars.

And that is on top of a degree that can be 4, 5 or 6 years long, during which they are just building up debts.

So it takes a minimum of 12 years to become a consultant and very few manage it in that minimum time. Lots of so called "junior doctors" have childcare responsibilities and bills to pay, just like the rest of us. During that time, the only way a lot of these guys can make ends meet is because of additional pay for shift and weekend working.

The only reason they are not keeling over, are able to spend some time with their families, are not working crazy hours and are not putting patients at risk is that, at the moment, the law (thanks to European legislation, in fact, although that is for another thread!) does not allow hospitals to make them work as long as they used to. If that legislation is breached, the hospital has to pay a financial penalty.

This government and that Cunt, are wanting to remove the additional pay they get, and make doctors work more hours, and remove that financial penalty.

I think we all owe a huge debt of gratitude to the people who are prepared to work so hard, and give up so much in order to become doctors.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Lots of so called "junior doctors" have childcare responsibilities and bills to pay

THE BASTARDS! THE SCUM! MONEY-GRUBBING SWINE! BLISTERING BARNACLES! BLUNDERING BAZOUKIS! ARSE! DRINK! FECK!

*froth*

 

[DotCommunist]

sass's argument boils down to 'I done a night shift for normal rates once so everyone else must. During the crimean war you know. We ate the dogs'

 

[two sheds]

sass's argument boils down to 'I done a night shift for normal rates once so everyone else must. During the crimean war you know. We ate the dogs'

No, I think it's only people with a vocation that are scum if they don't work 12 hours a day for no extra pay - so doctors, nurses, firemen, ambulance workers and the like. Everyone else can screw for as much money as they can get.

 

[bimble]

And that is on top of a degree that can be 4, 5 or 6 years long, during which they are just building up debts..

Also.. don't know how many other professions require you to pay hundreds of quid out of your salary every year in order to do compulsory exams , be insured and a member of the GMC etc?

 

[LeslieB]

Also.. don't know how many other professions require you to pay hundreds of quid out of your salary every year in order to do compulsory exams , be insured and a member of the GMC etc?

Law and vet science for two.

 

[existentialist]

Law and vet science for two.

Quite. And look at the salary ranges for those, too.

Look also at the government's efforts to deprofessionalise both of them.

 

[two sheds]

The striking doctors are scum. No other word adequately describes them.

Some 'scum' in Sass' mind who are taking time off from devoting most of their waking hours caring for people.

Hunt is perfectly correct in imposing what is a perfectly reasonable contract. Have you had a 13% pay rise recently?

Hunt stresses that the new contract will be cost neutral. Instead of 5-day cover there will be 7-day cover. How is that a 13% pay rise, Sass?

 

[LeslieB]

In the photo above I see nothing but fresh faced middle class kids who are treating this all as a big lark. Oh what jolly japes we are having, Justin!

 

[DotCommunist]

they should be unshaven, huddled round a metal barrel with a fire in it looking grim of eye. Prat.