existentialist
Tired and unemotional
*shakes head in dismay*
Junior doctors strike back on
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She is a fool, then.
bimble
floofy
Anyone who uses that word, ever = not someone worth conversing with. Thanks for clarifying.
binka
!!!!!!!!!
For wanting to defend an nhs which has done it's best to try and keep her alive for the last decade? I don't know why I'm replying you're an obvious troll so I'm going to stop
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
The more I think about this, the more I think the time has come to starve attention-seeking little turds like you of the attention you so desperately appear to crave. Join Markytwat and co in my ignore list.
bimble
floofy
Please, stop thinking and play with your cuddly meerkat collection there's a nice chap.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Why replace something with a more expensive less effective alternative? In order to be a bit provocative on the internet isn't a good enough answer.
Louis MacNeice
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Going on what I've seen so far I'd say calling anything you do 'thinking' is quite a stretch.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm of the opinion that like in the US its a two part motive. One the huge profits to be made out of people who don't fancy dying or watching their kid go blind from a preventable, treatable ill. The other being the pressure it puts workers under to keep a job with a health plan, you'll eat a lot of shit before you give that up. Housing precarity in this country is similar imho. The stick of homelessness hanging over you and the carrot of maybe having a gaff of your own one day (increasingly a pipe dream). Food, health and shelter. Get people there and you scare them, keep them toeing a line. Plus you can milk them dry for money.
2hats
Dust.
I suggest that you do yourself a favour and expand your reading list beyond DM web article comments and Tory party central office press releases. Laughably (sadly), you don't even appear to be capable of seeing how all this will come back to bite you in the rear.
Doctors already work weekends; many NHS support staff (critical to progressing many cases) don't. Most of the working population don't work weekends. No sane individual would want a doctor making critical decisions about their health if said medic had had insufficient sleep and rest, and they were distracted by issues in their private/personal life which they didn't have the time to give the attention they require. They're injecting carefully chosen and titrated drugs into patients, not changing the barrel on the tap, trying to get you a better deal on your phone/insurance, logging your complaint about your net connection or resetting the self-scan till.
2hats
Dust.
It's also about 'reforming' the NHS, reducing costs and expectations so that the slices carved off of it look like a better 'buy' for the private companies who take over. Lower the bar till the service is abysmal, unworkable - the private companies don't then have to make much effort to claim they have improved the situation and it is easier for the government to 'sell' privatisation as the solution, at least in the minds of the hard of thinking.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
of course, its an MO so well worn as to become predictable now. Most recent example being Royal Mail- and in its end deliberatly undervalued despite market advice, the usual suspects gaining from this undervaluing. Osbournes mate made a killing on it. Thats normally called insider trading and people are supposed to go to jail for it. Mind you if osborne can't be shifted from position even after being pictured with a bowl of chang in front of him while in a brothel then what does it take.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Spoonerising the first two words of that link put a rather large smile on my face.
A lot do, though. Perhaps we should allow the Army to only fight wars between 9 and 5, Monday to Friday. Or stop the trains on the weekend, or the police, or....well you get my point.
Of course people working weekends should get days off in the week, but I think a 7 day NHS is, fundamentally, a good idea.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
A brazier, Dotty. Huddled round a brazier.
2hats
Dust.
Which bit of 'doctors already work 7 days a week' are you not getting? Seems you are incapable of digesting other's points.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's not being "compared", an equivalence is being drawn between the state's intentions with the miners then, and the state's intentions with the doctors now.
The bit that says most of them don't.
Fair (er) enough. But if that is the case I think the state was wrong in the miners strike and correct now. Simple as that.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Firstly, you have no point since doctors already work weekends.
Secondly, we do have a seven day a week NHS.
How do you manage to get so much wrong in such a short post?
2hats
Dust.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
So the state was wrong to attack the organised labour movement but is right to attack the NHS?
Why?
Is the NHS somehow anti-working class?
Louis MacNeice
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
How? By striking to make sure that the care you get isn't from a cynical, over-worked and over-tired stress case?
I've had about 40 hours of outpatient treatment by junior grades in the last 12 months, stuff where an over-tired doctor doing any of the investigative procedures I've had could have caused life-changing or life-ending damage. Personally I'm glad that they're exercising their right to strike over the matter of the new contract. It shows a damn sight more social conscience than any member of the government has in this matter.
If anyone is really, seriously interested in shifting their thinking about the public and private sectors in general.... and I mean seriously, then I would suggest watching this.
It's about six years old now, but still very relevant. But you have to watch the whole thing (an hour and a quarter's worth) to get the most out of it. The NHS isn't dealt with until the latter third of the programme.
This was a game changer in my thinking.
It's about six years old now, but still very relevant. But you have to watch the whole thing (an hour and a quarter's worth) to get the most out of it. The NHS isn't dealt with until the latter third of the programme.
This was a game changer in my thinking.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
You're wasting your time. If this arsewipe isn't just here to stir trouble, then his level of critical thinking is way below being able to understand the concept of truth.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Here's hoping - and I'm being completely sincere when I say this - that you reap the whirlwind of your own stupidity.
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