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Jamie Oliver is STILL a massive cahnt

So I wonder what the solution is to improving these people's' diet? Surely there must be something that can be done that doesn't involve a revolution or rich people. How many working class armchair warriors have talked with their friends and neighbours about healthy eating?
Money,resources you idiot,it even says that people spend more money on better food when they start to earn more,or maybe that just doesn't fit with your shit,ill thought out and misinformed theorising about deserving/undeserving poor
 
All this stupid, vauge bollocks about different food cultures seems to take no account of history or structural causes. This country industrialised its food process a lot earlier than the rest of Europe. It drove people off the land and into cities and factories. It created a highly urbanised society.

Why is this so hard for people to get there heads round?
 
And the idea that people in other countries all eat healthily is bollocks. There is highly processed high fat content chemical shit in pretty much every supermarket in europe. and surprise surprise it tends to be the cheapest food.
 
Oh, it is about the food and recipes alone - accepting the social conditions that produce the need for this being just irrelevant. After All.

Who said it was about the "food and recipes alone"? Surely you can accept that social conditions are the cause, but in the absence of any kind of solution on the horizon, find other ways to solve the problem while waiting for a Labour party that does what it says on the tin.
 
All this stupid, vauge bollocks about different food cultures seems to take no account of history or structural causes. This country industrialised its food process a lot earlier than the rest of Europe. It drove people off the land and into cities and factories. It created a highly urbanised society.

Why is this so hard for people to get there heads round?

The capitalists did this, not the country. But there's been an equally sophisticated/advanced integration of town/country and producer/consumer as a result - the question is how that played out historically and now. To whose benefit. Is it the same as before - if not, what's changed?
 
Money,resources you idiot,it even says that people spend more money on better food when they start to earn more,or maybe that just doesn't fit with your shit,ill thought out and misinformed theorising about deserving/undeserving poor

Where's the money and resources going to come from then, such that everyone feels comfortable spending more money on food :confused:
 
And the idea that people in other countries all eat healthily is bollocks. There is highly processed high fat content chemical shit in pretty much every supermarket in europe. and surprise surprise it tends to be the cheapest food.
Course it is,generally people eat what they can afford.If they can afford better food they'll eat it.There's also an ingrained snobbery about processed food amongst some people...but like butchers said this isn't necessarily about the food
 
The capitalists did this, not the country. But there's been an equally sophisticated/advanced integration of town/country and producer/consumer as a result - the question is how that played out historically and now. To whose benefit. Is it the same as before - if not, what's changed?


My instant guess would be pre-enclosures producers and consumers exchanged in markets and horizontally, whilst post producers were required to give what they produced up the ladder for it then to be given down to consumers. (clumsy sentence, but that's just my first idea)
 
Course it is,generally people eat what they can afford.If they can afford better food they'll eat it.There's also an ingrained snobbery about processed food amongst some people...but like butchers said this isn't necessarily about the food

there's a MASSIVE ready meal section in marks and spencers tho and it all tends to be really expensive :D
 
Oliver's romanticism about the rustic, worthy poor

And most importantly the rustic, worthy poor he is on about wth their fresh pasta etc are not British.

Only the working class can be generalised in this manner without liberal commentators quivering with rage. In fact in many cases its the liberals, failing to hide their revulsion, doing the generalising.
 
Bet Oliver is a direct descendant.

D'you reckon?

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Course it is,generally people eat what they can afford.If they can afford better food they'll eat it.There's also an ingrained snobbery about processed food amongst some people...but like butchers said this isn't necessarily about the food

iirc white bread was once prized as the best and the softest while poor people had to get by with coarsegrained stuff- whereas now miteywhite is disdained and coarse grain has been reinvented as rustic farmhouse artisan. The wheel turns
 
there's a MASSIVE ready meal section in marks and spencers tho and it all tends to be really expensive :D
If i could afford m&s ready meals i'd live on 'em,got better things to be doin than standin round scratchin me arse stirring a fuckin saucepan all day
 
iirc white bread was once prized as the best and the softest while poor people had to get by with coarsegrained stuff- whereas now miteywhite is disdained and coarse grain has been reinvented as rustic farmhouse artisan. The wheel turns

Just been reading this in Uncle Charlie's major text:

One example. In London there are two sorts of bakers, the “full priced,” who sell bread at its full value, and the “undersellers,” who sell it under its value. The latter class comprises more than three-fourths of the total number of bakers. (p. xxxii in the Report of H. S. Tremenheere, commissioner to examine into “the grievances complained of by the journeymen bakers,” &c., Lond. 1862.) The undersellers, almost without exception, sell bread adulterated with alum, soap, pearl ashes, chalk, Derbyshire stone-dust, and such like agreeable nourishing and wholesome ingredients. (See the above cited Blue book, as also the report of “the committee of 1855 on the adulteration of bread,” and Dr. Hassall’s “Adulterations Detected,” 2nd Ed. Lond. 1861.) Sir John Gordon stated before the committee of 1855, that “in consequence of these adulterations, the poor man, who lives on two pounds of bread a day, does not now get one fourth part of nourishing matter, let alone the deleterious effects on his health.” Tremenheere states (l.c., p. xlviii), as the reason, why a very large part of the working-class, although well aware of this adulteration, nevertheless accept the alum, stone-dust, &c., as part of their purchase: that it is for them “a matter of necessity to take from their baker or from the chandler’s shop, such bread as they choose to supply.” As they are not paid their wages before the end of the week, they in their turn are unable “to pay for the bread consumed by their families, during the week, before the end of the week,” and Tremenheere adds on the evidence of witnesses, “it is notorious that bread composed of those mixtures, is made expressly for sale in this manner.” In many English and still more Scotch agricultural districts, wages are paid fortnightly and even monthly; with such long intervals between the payments, the agricultural labourer is obliged to buy on credit.... He must pay higher prices, and is in fact tied to the shop which gives him credit. Thus at Horningham in Wilts, for example, where the wages are monthly, the same flour that he could buy elsewhere at ls 10d per stone, costs him 2s 4d per stone. (“Sixth Report” on “Public Health” by “The Medical Officer of the Privy Council, &c., 1864,” p.264.) “The block printers of Paisley and Kilmarnock enforced, by a strike, fortnightly, instead of monthly payment of wages.” (“Reports of the Inspectors of Factories for 31st Oct., 1853,” p. 34.) As a further pretty result of the credit given by the workmen to the capitalist, we may refer to the method current in many English coal mines, where the labourer is not paid till the end of the month, and in the meantime, receives sums on account from the capitalist, often in goods for which the miner is obliged to pay more than the market price (Truck-system). “It is a common practice with the coal masters to pay once a month, and advance cash to their workmen at the end of each intermediate week. The cash is given in the shop” (i.e., the Tommy shop which belongs to the master); “the men take it on one side and lay it out on the other.” (“Children’s Employment Commission, III. Report,” Lond. 1864, p. 38, n. 192.)

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch06.htm
 
calling things in french makes them posh automatically.

Soup de Jour

last nights chicken carcases rendered down for stock and made into a foul broth. We also spunked in it. Or should I say 'served with a dash of jus de petite mort'
 
They* are making programs of instruction on how poor people might eat and feed their families. This is happening.


*they is an independent production company all of whose partners are multi-milionaires, commissioned by a C4 board made up of multi-millionaires.
 
iirc white bread was once prized as the best and the softest while poor people had to get by with coarsegrained stuff- whereas now miteywhite is disdained and coarse grain has been reinvented as rustic farmhouse artisan. The wheel turns

That has nothing to do with advances in flour processing and then in nutrition science, it's all about rich people not wanting to be seen to be eating poor people's food.
 
That has nothing to do with advances in flour processing and then in nutrition science, it's all about rich people not wanting to be seen to be eating poor people's food.

Look all I know about it is Heidi secreting her soft white rolls from dinner t the big house to take home to granmamma whose gums cannot eat the black peasant bread any longer.

Also hovis do a 'best of both' where it has the nutritional value of wholemeal brown but the texture of white. And none of the annoying seeds that we all secretly suspect are baked weevil corpses
 
Apparently Trevor (Jamie) tried to make out about having a Sudenese lineage, one of his ancestors went on a ship a couple of times.
He's a fucking bullshitting chancer and fools fell for his cheeky banter.
Naked chef apologises for Tamil Tigers T-shirt

September 17, 2003
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TV chef Jamie Oliver today apologised after he was seen around the world in a T-shirt supporting a rebel group whose campaign has led to the deaths of thousands of people.
The presenter has received 15 emails pointing out the trail of death left by the Tamil Tigers after he inadvertently wore a shirt bearing their name.
He wore the shirt, which he had bought in the US, during an edition of his series Oliver's Twist, which is shown in numerous countries but not the UK.
Oliver posted an apology on his website, saying: "Really sorry if I have upset a few people by wearing a T-shirt on one of my shows, it seems it had certain connections to the Tamil Tigers.
"I had no idea they were connected and I do apologise if I have offended anyone in any way."
A spokesman for Oliver said he had bought the T-shirt innocently, not realising it was connected to the Sri Lankan rebels.
PA
 
Shouldn't you be away educating yourself?I hear they've a few good books on ebay these days

I need to buy up all the big TVs on there, otherwise poor people will use them to watch Jamie Oliver programs, which of course is something they really shouldn't be allowed to do.
 
I dont think so- stuff like noodle and veg, rice and veg, basic one veg soups, pasta with one ingredient on it, are all basic sustenance foods.

What's that go to to do with the perception of the lazy rich that the poor 'eat bad' because they are lazy and thick though? It endorses it surely? Whilst enclosing knowledge of all that shit (as in shit i don't care about) into something that is theirs to impart to their servants.
 
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