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Jamie Oliver is STILL a massive cahnt

Cunt or not, he does do some good recipes though. Excellent fish pie. So, you know.
 
butchersapron said:
They* are making programs of instruction on how poor people might eat and feed their families. This is happening.


*they is an independent production company all of whose partners are multi-milionaires, commissioned by a C4 board made up of multi-millionaires.
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They probably think they are doing good as well- beebs been at it to.

As if before the crash low earners were feasting nightly on fillet mignon and that.


'Do you need help with your budgeting?'

'No, I need more than a pittance'
 
Mind you, some of his recipes totally lack zing. So there is that too. Things to weigh on both sides.
 
butchersapron said:
What's that go to to do with the perception of the lazy rich that the poor 'eat bad' because they are lazy and thick though? It endorses it surely? Whilst enclosing knowledge of all that shit (as in shit i don't care about) into something that is theirs to impart to their servants.
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Who else is giving them that knowledge?

Claiming that poor people shouldn't be gaining anything from Jamie Oliver, and should regard him as a cunt, is really no different to saying they are all thick and lazy.
 
DotCommunist said:
They probably think they are doing good as well- beebs been at it to.

As if before the crash low earners were feasting nightly on fillet mignon and that.


'Do you need help with your budgeting?'

'No, I need more than a pittance'
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Doing good - an independent production company associated with JO? They are making money. They are trading on JO.
 
bi0boy said:
Who else is giving them that knowledge?

Claiming that poor people shouldn't be gaining anything from Jamie Oliver, and should regard him as a cunt, is really no different to saying they are all thick and lazy.
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are you fucking serious??
 
mk12 said:
Whilst I agree most of the opinions being expressed here, healthy food isn't expensive and there really isn't any excuse to feed your kids shit on a daily basis. A bag of salad from Tesco, for example, costs pennies.
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What a bizarre example to choose! If I had £1 to spend I wouldn't buy an 60 calorie bag of salad, I'd go to the chip shop for a bag of chips.

Cheapest, healthiest £1 meal would surely be a bag of value pasta, value tinned tomatoes and value tinned kidney beans.
 
butchersapron said:
What's that go to to do with the perception of the lazy rich that the poor 'eat bad' because they are lazy and thick though?
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Not much, i never said anything about the rich perceptions of the poor. When it comes to cooking i readily admit i have been both lazy and ignorant, and there's a whole bunch of social and mental reasons way those patterns arise and are hard to break. Im not looking down on anyone who lives that way - Ive lived that way.

What rich people think about poor people is another issue, which Im sure we agree on. The fact that it is possible for some with access to food markets to cook food for less than a ready meal doesnt mean i think we should be satisfied with our shit pay and shitter benefits. It just means that while in that situation we need our strength and health more than ever.

The TV agenda of teaching people how to make do and mend, how to eat cheaply, oh look benefits were shitter in 1945 (i presume that what that show on the other day was about) is a wind-up on one level as it suggests its natural to put up with the situation... but the fact is in the meantime until things change some of us do have to put up with the situation and make it work as best we can. Trying to eat healthily and kowtowing to the austerity agenda arent mutually exclusive things.

ETA: Greebo liked my post, so there :p
 
ska invita said:
Not much, i never said anything about the rich perceptions of the poor. When it comes to cooking i readily admit i have been both lazy and ignorant, and there's a whole bunch of social and mental reasons way those patterns arise and are hard to break. Im not looking down on anyone who lives that way - Ive lived that way.

What rich people think about poor people is another issue, which Im sure we agree on. The fact that it is possible for some with access to food markets to cook food for less than a ready meal doesnt mean i think we should be satisfied with our shit pay and shitter benefits. It just means that while in that situation we need our strength and health more than ever.

The TV agenda of teaching people how to make do and mend, how to eat cheaply, oh look benefits were shitter in 1945 (i presume that what that show on the other day was about) is a wind-up on one level as it suggests its natural to put up with the situation... but the fact is in the meantime until things change some of us do have to put up with the situation and make it work as best we can. Trying to eat healthily and kowtowing to the austerity agenda arent mutually exclusive things.

ETA: Greebo liked my post, so there :p
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You didn't have to. It was the point of the thread though.

No, it's the same issue.

And, so is this, believe it or not.
 
ska invita said:
Not much, i never said anything about the rich perceptions of the poor. When it comes to cooking i readily admit i have been both lazy and ignorant, and there's a whole bunch of social and mental reasons way those patterns arise and are hard to break. Im not looking down on anyone who lives that way - Ive lived that way.

What rich people think about poor people is another issue, which Im sure we agree on. The fact that it is possible for some with access to food markets to cook food for less than a ready meal doesnt mean i think we should be satisfied with our shit pay and shitter benefits. It just means that while in that situation we need our strength and health more than ever.

The TV agenda of teaching people how to make do and mend, how to eat cheaply, oh look benefits were shitter in 1945 (i presume that what that show on the other day was about) is a wind-up on one level as it suggests its natural to put up with the situation... but the fact is in the meantime until things change some of us do have to put up with the situation and make it work as best we can. Trying to eat healthily and kowtowing to the austerity agenda arent mutually exclusive things.

ETA: Greebo liked my post, so there :p
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Is mates and family passing something onto you the same as official broadcasters normalising being poor? Is that just spreading tips around? Or is that making the situation look like part of nature?
 
bioboy,an exercise in trying to look better than the oiks and fallin flat on your face,no hands.Might as well wack yourself in the mug with that copy of kapital and do the job right
 
Thora said:
What a bizarre example to choose! If I had £1 to spend I wouldn't buy an 60 calorie bag of salad, I'd go to the chip shop for a bag of chips.

Cheapest, healthiest £1 meal would surely be a bag of value pasta, value tinned tomatoes and value tinned kidney beans.
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fuck the kidney beans, you could have an onion instead.

This opinion was bought to you by someone who has spent far to long picking kidney beans out of otherwise tasty con carnes
 
Not living near anywhere to buy cheap food is a pain and the impact shouldn't be underestimated.

I live on an estate that has no proper supermarket - within walking distance are a couple of Costcutters, a chippy, a chinese and a kebab/pizza place. About a 20 minute walk away is a Tesco Express (?) - one of the little, expensive ones that sells lots of ready meals and very little fresh stuff. Big supermarkets are a £4 bus ride away, Aldi isn't on a bus route so would involve a taxi. Our grocery bills have almost doubled since we have moved away from an Aldi.

I also really don't have the time or inclination to drag a 3 year old round multiple shops/markets to get the best deals on food, several times a week since I don't have a car for bulk buying.
 
butchersapron said:
Is mates and family passing something onto you the same as official broadcasters normalising being poor? Is that just spreading tips around? Or is that making the situation look like part of nature?
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the insult of it that really stings and causes a moments incredulity is that plenty of us have been cooking on the cheap for years- even during those supposed boom times that we didn't see a penny of. Teach me how to survive, rich man. For fucks sake.

And they largely get it wrong anyway
 
bi0boy said:
"Ooh you shouldn't listen to him, he's a rich cunt and can't identify with your true working class experience. You should listen to me - I'll help you eat healthily with my copy of Das Kapital"
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The feckless poor need help, and it's either me or Jamie Oliver to the rescue!
 
One thing that many people don't understand is that poorer households often have little access to childcare. At least in the US, kids can be left home alone for several hours on their own. If your kids get home from school at 3:30 and you get off at 6:00 or later, TV may be the best/cheapest babysitter available.
 
Thora said:
Not living near anywhere to buy cheap food is a pain and the impact shouldn't be underestimated.

I live on an estate that has no proper supermarket - within walking distance are a couple of Costcutters, a chippy, a chinese and a kebab/pizza place. About a 20 minute walk away is a Tesco Express (?) - one of the little, expensive ones that sells lots of ready meals and very little fresh stuff. Big supermarkets are a £4 bus ride away, Aldi isn't on a bus route so would involve a taxi. Our grocery bills have almost doubled since we have moved away from an Aldi.

I also really don't have the time or inclination to drag a 3 year old round multiple shops/markets to get the best deals on food, several times a week since I don't have a car for bulk buying.
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It is an awful situation, Oliver and his ilk have no idea about how difficult just being able to reach shops that don't inflate prices because of the scarcity of opposition in the area. I cannot imagine his wife having to struggle with the kids on public transport.
They live in a dreamworld off the backs of others. I hate celebrity chefs. Pretentious bastards.
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
One thing that many people don't understand is that poorer households often have little access to childcare. At least in the US, kids can be left home alone for several hours on their own. If your kids get home from school at 3:30 and you get off at 6:00 or later, TV may be the best/cheapest babysitter available.
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And when are people going to get over the idea that you can be both poor AND have consumer goods? I mean the price of TV has been pretty much the same for 50 years, whilst the price of food has proportionally gone up. Buying a TV in 1960 was 3 months average salary. Nowadays you could buy a 40" flat-screen for 1 week of the average salary.

Is it really that hard to imagine that someone might be able to afford a few hundred quid for a one-off payment (or even HP) and still struggle to pay the bills? ffs.
 
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