Jamie Oliver is STILL a massive cahnt

[Pickman's model]

Fuck me john hume's morphed into nigel lawson...or maybe...

john hume thinking about elevenses recently

 

[marty21]

The '32-inch flat screen telly' thing popped up in some shit judgemental Daily Mail article a few months ago, as if this was some sort of luxury item. They're, what, £150 for a cheap shit one these days? Less than a hundred second hand, maybe forty or fifty notes off gumtree if you look about, sometimes free from friends/relatives. Someone tell Middle England that Plasma tellies don't cost two grand anymore. It's an anachronistic stick to beat the 'welfare scroungers'.

We shouldn't be asking politicians if they know the price of milk, ask them about the price of bottom-rung tellies.

Also bear in mind some people in poverty have worked in the past and have bought nice things when they've worked, or received gifts from relatives. You don't rescind the right to these items when you start signing on.

You get the feeling the Mail would like people to live in tents or something, it's not fair that the workless have homes, those homes could provide valuable buy-to-let investments for the equity-rich middle classes.

plus if they buy them new - they probably buy them for a weekly payment of a few quid over years - paying over the odds as well

 

[butchersapron]

Thanks for setting me straight. I thought that it was just another cookery program.

Who here has talked about the cookery program? The thread is about his comments on povs with tellies. He made a social point. He gets told why his point was ignorant rubbish and based on a series of assumptions and unquestioned social prejudices. And some people try to tie that into wider anti-scrounger agendas and how the privileged view the world. No recipes.

 

[fredfelt]

Additionally you're a tedious prick

And you, of course, must be a well mannered conversationalist.

 

[bamalama]

And you, of course, must be a well mannered conversationalist.

Fahk orff

 

[King Biscuit Time]

Pwned by George Orwell 75 years ago, the useless fat tongued flavour shaker shifter.

Now compare this list with the unemployed miner's budget that I gave
earlier. The miner's family spend only tenpence a week on green vegetables
and tenpence half-penny on milk (remember that one of them is a child less
than three years old), and nothing on fruit; but they spend one and nine on
sugar (about eight pounds of sugar, that is) and a shilling on tea. The
half-crown spent on meat might represent a small joint and the materials
for a stew; probably as often as not it would represent four or five tins
of bully beef. The basis of their diet, therefore, is white bread and
margarine, corned beef, sugared tea, and potatoes--an appalling diet.
Would it not be better if they spent more money on wholesome things like
oranges and wholemeal bread or if they even, like the writer of the letter
to the New Statesman, saved on fuel and ate their carrots raw? Yes, it
would, but the point is that no ordinary human being is ever going to do
such a thing. The ordinary human being would sooner starve than live on
brown bread and raw carrots. And the peculiar evil is this, that the less
money you have, the less inclined you feel to spend it on wholesome food. A
millionaire may enjoy breakfasting off orange juice and Ryvita biscuits; an
unemployed man doesn't. Here the tendency of which I spoke at the end of
the last chapter comes into play. When you are unemployed, which is to say
when you are underfed, harassed, bored, and miserable, you don't want to
eat dull wholesome food. You want something a little bit 'tasty'. There is
always some cheaply pleasant thing to tempt you. Let's have three pennorth
of chips! Run out and buy us a twopenny ice-cream! Put the kettle on and
we'll all have a nice cup of tea! That is how your mind works when you are
at the P.A.C. level. White bread-and-marg and sugared tea don't nourish you
to any extent, but they are nicer (at least most people think so) than
brown bread-and-dripping and cold water. Unemployment is an endless misery
that has got to be constantly palliated, and especially with tea, the
English-man's opium. A cup of tea or even an aspirin is much better as a
temporary stimulant than a crust of brown bread.

 

[DotCommunist]

If the Indy are so desperate to get us to think about Jamie Oliver in a particular way, why didn't they just draw a cock and balls on his forehead for good measure?

because there's a set already there

 

[bamalama]

For the likes of oliver and his class the issue is simple,he is jamie oliver, millionaire, because of who he is, the all round well functioning person that he is(coke habit and all).The working class are what they are because of who they are,feckless ,dysfunctional,not able to cut it in a society that affords them every opportunity to be just like him.No word of structural inequalities.Look how he's managed to network his family and pals into well payed media careers,self made through their own hard work,one and all...

 

[ska invita]

ive started travelling further for the weekly shop to Peckham market for shopping and have saved about a third on food bills - compared to the local Sainsburys. It means having to buy whole ingredients, sometimes bulk and cook from scratch, but its been worth it. A bit more effort but healthier and cheaper. Being vegetarian helps a lot. But even if you dont want to eat chick pea curries or whatever else a baked potato with beans and avocado is still healthier and pretty much as cheap as chips and cheese (£2 for 2 people). And styrofome doesnt save money either.

Obviously if you live nowhere near a market there's nothing you can do about that.

The bit about the TV size is irrelevant and an insult obviously.

Aside from the price of food, the time it takes to cook a meal is surely also an issue? Working a full-day, picking kids up from school/childcare, then getting them to do their homework whilst cooking from scratch is pretty hard, especially compared to being a middle-class stay-at-home mum/dad who has had all day to prepare it.

its a pain but its part of life - i manage it and we dont get home till 7.30pm at the earliest - some days its ready meals too though - instant mash and what not. It is true as Jamie Oliver says that ready meals are often a much more expensive option. For 1 person its okay, but for a family of 4 its a lot cheaper to make your own, or even a couple of people cooking from scratch usually works out a bit cheaper (depending what it is).

He's caught bang to rights here though:

Mr Oliver's comments were met with angry criticism online. Many Twitter users pointed to the price of producing his recipes and how he promoted ready meals for Sainsbury's rather than urging people to their local farmers' market.

BTW Farmers markets are more expensive than supermarkets IME

I think i remember a bit in Road to Wigan Pier where Orwell complains people dont eat wholemeal bread and instead eat white bread with no nutritional value - is a bit cheaper per loaf, but you end up eating more of it as it doesnt do anything for you.
(ETA: just seen its been posted above while i was writing this)

There is a lack of cooking culture in the UK in my experience in comparison to other european countries - I dont think i'm imagining that. I feel part of that lack, and am dragging myself into it slowly. A lot of people, myself included, just dont know how to cook. Ive started looking up recipes on the internet and thats really helped me get going. Basic things like a tomato sauce out of (cheap cans of) plum tomatoes for example, open up all kinds of doors, pastas and bakes.

Also understanding how foods works, fats, carbohydrates, fibre, sugars, all that stuff - I remember doing it at school and not paying attention, but now Im interested in it, have read up about it a bit and try and eat in a balanced way. Chips and cheese is not good eating whatever way you look at it.

im naturally lazy so understand the appeal of lazy food, and know how hard it is to get out of the mindset. For me it has come down to wanting to be healthy, especially as i get older. Saving money has been a big motivator too though, in fact thats what really forced the change.

 

[DotCommunist]

tramps buffet is far easier than treking to market

 

[butchersapron]

ive started travelling further for the weekly shop to Peckham market for shopping and have saved about a third on food bills -<snip>

Not about the food.

 

[bamalama]

Not about the food.

This is important and people seem to be deliberately missing the point

 

[girasol]

Aside from the price of food, the time it takes to cook a meal is surely also an issue? Working a full-day, picking kids up from school/childcare, then getting them to do their homework whilst cooking from scratch is pretty hard, especially compared to being a middle-class stay-at-home mum/dad who has had all day to prepare it.

I really isn't that hard, I did it as single mum, in full-time work, for 3 years - and now we do it as a couple. I wonder why people think it's hard though (cultural? I was brought up in a different country), perhaps that's what needs to change. Cooking from scratch can also be quick, depends on the recipe...

I do agree that it's fucked up when people with money go around telling people without money how to eat (or live life) - I'd like to see how they would do in a similar situation. And I hate how the media keeps going on about poor people having a 32inch HD TV. blah, blah, it's not that expensive and what the fuck are people supposed to do for entertainment? It's bad enough there's no money to go out, they should just sit at home in silence, breathing quietly, waiting to die? FUCK OFF!

 

[DotCommunist]

Useless watchers

 

[ShiftyBagLady]

There is a lack of cooking culture in the UK in my experience in comparison to other european countries - I dont think i'm imagining that. I feel part of that lack, and am dragging myself into it slowly. A lot of people, myself included, just dont know how to cook.

You may have a point about a cultural difference in the British approach to food. There may well be a skill and/or knowledge gap which the middle classes (with their lifestyle magazines and and food budgets which enables them to be experimental) can more readily fill than the working classes whose lives and budgets are absorbed by the business of keeping dodgy and soul together.
Oliver's romanticism about the rustic, worthy poor is part of/just as damaging and blinkered as the deserving/undeserving poor shite we see constantly bandied about he media. It's unrelenting.

 

[SovietArmy]

Grave digger bastard.

 

[Buckaroo]

For the likes of theakston and his class the issue is simple,he is jamie theakston, millionaire, because of who he is, the all round well functioning person that he is(coke habit and all).The working class are what they are because of who they are,feckless ,dysfunctional,not able to cut it in a society that affords them every opportunity to be just like him.No word of structural inequalities.Look how he's managed to network his family and pals into well payed media careers,self made through their own hard work,one and all...

Jamie Theakston or Jamie Oliver? Not that it matters much. They're all the same those coked up media whores, subsidising Colombian death cartels and then nagging everyone over a few chips. Fucking nerve.

 

[Santino]

I really isn't that hard, I did it as single mum, in full-time work, for 3 years - and now we do it as a couple. I wonder why people think it's hard though (cultural? I was brought up in a different country), perhaps that's what needs to change. Cooking from scratch can also be quick, depends on the recipe...

They're just not trying hard enough.

 

[Sprocket.]

If you ever meet anyone who works for Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council it's worth asking them what they thought of Jamie's Ministry of Food and how much it benefited the people of Rotherham. I suspect he's more hated there than anywhere.

I'm off to find ten mussels for my tea anyone got any ideas?

It was Rotherham Utd's last ever game at Millmoor and this horrible fucka turns out in a Rovrum shirt at half time and starts preaching to 4,500 fans about healthy cooking.
We gave him some right stick, with all sides of the ground including the Barnet fans (Gawd bless em) screaming 'you fat bastard' with as much venom as possible. It was a memory I will always cherish and I smirk every time the oily buffoon appears on my 46'' TV.
Sadly there is only this poor quality mobile vid to remember it by. The chanting got much worse as he droned on.



Total arse wipe.

 

[butchersapron]

Grave digger bastard.

When does the school holidays finish?

 

[bamalama]

I'm irish,our population was more or less halved by a potato famine in the 1840s,while the country was producing more than enough crops and livestock to feed the population.The british government produced a leaflet in english about how to make a nutritious porridge from the blighted potatoes,except the people it was aimed at couldn't read or understand english.What are the "cultural" reasons for the diet of the irish working class ?

 

[Idris2002]

I'm irish,our population was more or less halved by a potato famine in the 1840s,while the country was producing more than enough crops and livestock to feed the population.The british government produced a leaflet in english about how to make a nutritious porridge from the blighted potatoes,except the people it was aimed at couldn't read or understand english.What are the "cultural" reasons for the diet of the irish working class ?

And better than that, they advised that you could take your mushy, blighted spud, squeeze it through a handy metal grille, and toast the result mush until it was edible. You couldn't make it up.

 

[DotCommunist]

well there was soup on offer...

 

[ska invita]

Oliver's romanticism about the rustic, worthy poor is part of/just as damaging and blinkered as the deserving/undeserving poor shite we see constantly bandied about he media. It's unrelenting.

If you live out somewhere truly rustic with no supermarkets or ready meals you are forced to cook - in fact the food of the rustic poor is the cornerstone of pretty much all menus (apart from nouvelle cuisine and that kind of rich food). And knowing about food and caring about it isnt the preserve of the middle and upper classes - far from it. The Romanticism is annoying (that quote where he wants to give me a hug and take me to Sicily etc). That said sugar sandwiches and shit like that is another level of food poverty, and sometimes superhigh fat/sugar foods have a logic to them. I think the Orwell quote hits it on the head though, a lot of it comes down to a gratification thing, and a fat/sugar rush can be addictive.

 

[butchersapron]

If you live out somewhere truly rustic with no supermarkets or ready meals you are forced to cook - in fact the food of the rustic poor is the cornerstone of pretty much all menus (apart from nouvelle cuisine and that kind of rich food). And knowing about food and caring about it isnt the preserve of the middle and upper classes - far from it. The Romanticism is annoying (that quote where he wants to give me a hug and take me to Sicily etc). That said sugar sandwiches and shit like that is another level of food poverty, and sometimes superhigh fat/sugar foods have a logic to them. I think the Orwell quote hits it on the head though, a lot of it comes down to a gratification thing, and a fat/sugar rush can be addictive.

So that's 2% of the country. And 98% of menus. Now what? In fact, what is your point?

 

[bi0boy]

So I wonder what the solution is to improving these people's' diet? Surely there must be something that can be done that doesn't involve a revolution or rich people. How many working class armchair warriors have talked with their friends and neighbours about healthy eating?

 

[butchersapron]

Oh, it is about the food and recipes alone - accepting the social conditions that produce the need for this being just irrelevant. After All.

 

[Santino]

in fact the food of the rustic poor is the cornerstone of pretty much all menus

I don't think that's true, I think it's a romantic myth concocted by lazy food writers and programme makers.

 

[frogwoman]

i also like the assumption that if you don't listen to jamie oliver you can't cook.

when you are doing manual labour or doing long commutes you don't have time to cook and you eat sugary food to give you energy.

well I did anyway.

to be honest though it's not just jamie oliver, half of cookery books seem to be like this, and the "in a hurry" and "budget" ones are sometimes the worst

 

[Sprocket.]

And better than that, they advised that you could take your mushy, blighted spud, squeeze it through a handy metal grille, and toast the result mush until it was edible. You couldn't make it up.

But the famine was a calculated attempt at how to make land more easy to steal and commit genocide and cause families to be evicted, whilst giving advice like this before they went to church on Sunday to show what good christian folk they all were.
Bet Oliver is a direct descendant.