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Kemi Badenoch’s time is up!

Agreed on her ambtion and that she doesn't take shit. But, as her performance on the economy on the BBC yesterday demonstrated, she's far from the finished article.
She doesn't have to be perfectly competent, or even competent, she just has to be less of a walking disaster than any of her competition.

I didn't see the BBC thing, though - was it really bad?
 
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I am 'reliably' informed from social media that Badenoch's 56% of the 95,000 votes represents the lowest winning level of support among Conservative members in any leadership election in its history.

The term "history" is a little misleading here.

The first Tory leader ever to be elected by the members was Ian Duncan Smith in 2001, and the first to be elected by MPs was Edward Heath in 1965. Before then it was all done behind closed doors, with the decision made by a handful of faceless men.
 
She doesn't have to be perfectly competent, or even competent, she just has to be less of a walking disaster than any of her competition.

I didn't see the BBC thing, though - was it really bad?

I hit 'post reply' by accident - I have now edited and this addresses your first point.

On the second point, she was asked by Laura Kuenssberg if the Tories would vote against the budget. She didn't have an answer (and I still don't know whether they will or not) and she ended up attacking Labour on private school fees which she did say she'd oppose. Both Sunak and Jenrick have provided a cogent right wing analysis on the NI hike and rolled out the 'investment wthout reform' argument. Badenoch was either unable or unwilling to simply repeat this. A bizarre missed opportunity to set her stall out in my view.
 
There's a daily poll on yougov about whether she was a good choice. So far, less than a third of respondents even think she was fairly good.

Do you think that the Conservatives made a good or a bad choice in electing Kemi Badenoch as their new leader?​

Very good choice10%

Fairly good choice15%

Fairly bad choice15%

Very bad choice35%

Don't know24%
 
There's a daily poll on yougov about whether she was a good choice. So far, less than a third of respondents even think she was fairly good.

Do you think that the Conservatives made a good or a bad choice in electing Kemi Badenoch as their new leader?​

Very good choice10%

Fairly good choice15%

Fairly bad choice15%

Very bad choice35%

Don't know24%
Among all voters, though? Whoever they had chosen would have received those kinds of numbers. Don't think that means much.
 
The Culture war is irrelevant trans rights are a thing just like trans people are a thing and given that under 0.5% of the uk population are trans around a 1/4million people making huge policy statements is probably a waste of energy when your dealing with a small enough group that treating people as individuals probably works better.
 
Among all voters, though? Whoever they had chosen would have received those kinds of numbers. Don't think that means much.
Yes, indeed. There is a category that never gets recorded: those who refuse to take part in the poll when asked. "Don't knows" actually participate in the poll.
 
I've always thought Havering sounds like something you do. Perhaps the sort of faffing about that happens when you're busy and can't really decide what to do next...
That is basically the meaning (the other meaning is to talk in a rambling way) - it's why Elpenor made that comment.

I think you'd like the book The Meaning of Liff if you haven't encountered it already.
 
And of course it is possible to have both. Communist-era Eastern Europe was a good example. Women could become doctors, engineers, anything they wanted. But they were expected to look after the home as well!
Whereas here, the former was more difficult but the latter was the same (and some would argue still is).

(It is quite noticeable though that a disproportionate number of female engineers I've worked with in the UK are from Eastern Europe.)
 
That is basically the meaning (the other meaning is to talk in a rambling way) - it's why Elpenor made that comment.

I think you'd like the book The Meaning of Liff if you haven't encountered it already.
The Proclaimers were havering over you.
 
The Proclaimers were havering over you.
'500 miles was The Proclaimers only hit in the US and has appeared in numerous movies including Benny and Joon and Pitch Perfect but some US radio stations took against it.

The lyric of the song contains the Scottish word "haver".

They didn't know what it meant but they assumed it must be subversive.
It actually means to talk rubbish.'

 
The lyric of the song contains the Scottish word "haver".

They didn't know what it meant but they assumed it must be subversive.
It actually means to talk rubbish.

I used it on here a while ago in the english sense of 'trying to decide what to do' - this caused some confusion with a scottish poster.

i'm not sure which the london borough of havering represents

:p
 
I used it on here a while ago in the english sense of 'trying to decide what to do' - this caused some confusion with a scottish poster.

i'm not sure which the london borough of havering represents

:p
If you live in Romford and fail to pay your Council Tax, then you will have Havering after you.
 
I used it on here a while ago in the english sense of 'trying to decide what to do' - this caused some confusion with a scottish poster.

i'm not sure which the london borough of havering represents

:p
Well I (am probably the only Urbanite to) live in Havering and am pretty sure that it's the 'talking bollocks' meaning. People round here are decisive enough but they don't half haver.
 
Well I (am probably the only Urbanite to) live in Havering and am pretty sure that it's the 'talking bollocks' meaning. People round here are decisive enough but they don't half haver.
And when people have had enough of them they thrust the offender's head into a haversack
 
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