Jamie Oliver is STILL a massive cahnt

[Thora]

It is an awful situation, Oliver and his ilk have no idea about how difficult just being able to reach shops that don't inflate prices because of the scarcity of opposition in the area. I cannot imagine his wife having to struggle with the kids on public transport.
They live in a dreamworld off the backs of others. I hate celebrity chefs. Pretentious bastards.

Yeah, there's loads of things going on and it's not a case of spending all your money of chips and TVs instead of a lovely cheap risotto for the children.
Not knowing how to cook from scratch
Not having access to supermarkets/markets
Easily accessible food being expensive and unhealthy
Not wanting food wasted

People who are used to driving to the supermarket, putting the kids in a trolley, doing a weeks' shop, packing it back in the car and being home within an hour underestimate how much more stressful it is to take the bus and only be able to buy what you can stow in a pushchair.

 

[JHE]

It is an awful situation, Oliver and his ilk have no idea about how difficult just being able to reach shops that don't inflate prices because of the scarcity of opposition in the area. I cannot imagine his wife having to struggle with the kids on public transport.
They live in a dreamworld off the backs of others. I hate celebrity chefs. Pretentious bastards.

There's no reason to hate celebrity chefs. Some are boring. Some say annoying things sometimes (like Jamie Oliver in this case, though he's done decent things in other cases). Some are more entertaining than others. They are certainly not all pretentious. They are rich as a result of their success in just the way that successful pop singers and successful football players are rich - and successful stock brokers, barristers, rappers, bankers, surgeons and novelists. I don't agree with such inequalities, but it's no good blaming the individuals who are rich. That's as misguided as blaming the poor for poverty.

 

[butchersapron]

Great now we're talking about how he might be right and explaining how.

 

[Thora]

Great now we're talking about how he might be right and explaining how.

In what way?

 

[trabuquera]

Yeah, there's loads of things going on and it's not a case of spending all your money of chips and TVs instead of a lovely cheap risotto for the children.
Not knowing how to cook from scratch
Not having access to supermarkets/markets
Easily accessible food being expensive and unhealthy
Not wanting food wasted

Agreed, AND two other things J Oliver and other recommenders may well be overlooking: both kitchen equipment (quality pots & pans, baking trays/tins, etc) and cooking gas/electricity can cost serious and unpredictable money too. In the past it was common for people the be "too poor to cook at home" and to live on takeaway (or the historic equivalent of takeaway), or only eat in pubs/ bars etc ... because many dwellings never had kitchens and it was vastly cheaper to just buy a pie. Those days are back it seems.

 

[girasol]

They're just not trying hard enough.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? typical urban bullshit. I'm pointing out cooking from scratch is doable. you only quoted the first half of my post so you could go all judgemental and misrepresent what I said.

 

[bi0boy]

Why are you putting words in my mouth? typical urban bullshit. I'm pointing out cooking from scratch is doable. you only quoted the first half of my post so you could go all judgemental and misrepresent what I said.

Apparently anyone who advocates the promotion of home cooking must be a middle class cunt who knows nothing about our economic system.

 

[butchersapron]

In what way?

By the posts that do that. The ones that say ooh it is possible here's how. There are also the inverse ones which list the problems with doing that.

 

[Thora]

By the posts that do that.

Which posts? I'm not sure what you were referring to.

 

[butchersapron]

Which posts? I'm not sure what you were referring to.

The one's that do what i said. The ones that on this thread argue on the grounds of if it is possible - here's how you can do it - rather than why it's happening.

 

[Lo Siento.]

In what way?

Fairly self-explanatory, isn't it?

Once you start doing this

Yeah, there's loads of things going on and it's not a case of spending all your money of chips and TVs instead of a lovely cheap risotto for the children.
Not knowing how to cook from scratch
Not having access to supermarkets/markets
Easily accessible food being expensive and unhealthy
Not wanting food wasted

You're already accepting JO's point that poor families feed themselves and their kids badly, and it's a problem for their betters to solve.

 

[girasol]

Apparently anyone who advocates the promotion of home cooking must be a middle class cunt who knows nothing about our economic system.

And anyone who puts thought and effort into their children's diet is probably under the same category? Class has nothing to do with this. A lot of working class people take great care of their diet and eat healthily, and cook from scratch, innit?

 

[DotCommunist]

And when are people going to get over the idea that you can be both poor AND have consumer goods? I mean the price of TV has been pretty much the same for 50 years, whilst the price of food has proportionally gone up. Buying a TV in 1960 was 3 months average salary. Nowadays you could buy a 40" flat-screen for 1 week of the average salary.

Is it really that hard to imagine that someone might be able to afford a few hundred quid for a one-off payment (or even HP) and still struggle to pay the bills? ffs.

none of it actually means criticism on a logical level of poor people having possessions. Only the very dim do it that literally- its like when being told 'ah you oppose capitalism but isn't that a shirt on your back?'

completely meaningless. It's baiting

 

[bi0boy]

A lot of working class people take great care of their diet and eat healthily, and cook from scratch, innit?

Of course. And those that don't? Well, it seems no one should tell them otherwise.

 

[girasol]

Of course. And those that don't? Well, it seems no one should tell them otherwise.

I'm not sure what your agenda is, I missed the last few pages, I only read that you quoted my post.

To be frank I'm already bored of this thread, and it's my turn to cook so I better get to the kitchen...

 

[LiamO]

So... other than the fact that so many of you dismiss everything Oliver says out of hand .... cos 'he's a cunt'.... or even a 'rich cunt'.... is there anything specific about what he says..... this statement for example...

“The fascinating thing for me is that seven times out of 10, the poorest families in this country choose the most expensive way to hydrate and feed their families. The ready meals, the convenience foods.”

... which is so outrageous?

I understand that there are many reasons why this may be the case, but is anyone actually claiming this phenomenon does not exist?

 

[Cheesypoof]

why do people slag off Jamie Oliver so much??? hang on....i know.

But seriously, his recipes are great!

 

[butchersapron]

So... other than the fact that so many of you dismiss everything Oliver says out of hand .... cos 'he's a cunt'.... or even a 'rich cunt'.... is there anything specific about what he says..... this statement for example...

“The fascinating thing for me is that seven times out of 10, the poorest families in this country choose the most expensive way to hydrate and feed their families. The ready meals, the convenience foods.”

... which is so outrageous?

I understand that there are many reasons why this may be the case, but is anyone actually claiming this phenomenon does not exist?

Oh god. What are the reasons liam? Is it to do with their big tv?

 

[Lo Siento.]

So... other than the fact that so many of you dismiss everything Oliver says out of hand .... cos 'he's a cunt'.... or even a 'rich cunt'.... is there anything specific about what he says..... this statement for example...

“The fascinating thing for me is that seven times out of 10, the poorest families in this country choose the most expensive way to hydrate and feed their families. The ready meals, the convenience foods.”

... which is so outrageous?

I understand that there are many reasons why this may be the case, but is anyone actually claiming this phenomenon does not exist?

(a) Where's the statistic come from? It's clearly bollocks - I mean what constitutes "the poorest families" or "the most expensive way" (are they eating at the Savoy every night?), and 7 times out of 10? It's clearly a stat that Oliver has dragged from his backside (or more likely, constructed out of prejudice and confirmation bias).

(b) Even if it were true, so the fuck what?

 

[Thora]

You're already accepting JO's point that poor families feed themselves and their kids badly, and it's a problem for their betters to solve.

Well, I do agree with him that food and health are linked to poverty. It's harder to feed yourself well on a low income. I just disagree that it's purely down to making bad choices - spending money on TVs instead of vegetables.

 

[butchersapron]

Well, I do agree with him that food and health are linked to poverty

Where does he argue this?

 

[DotCommunist]

Liams just doing contarian again- if theres a consensus he will argue against it. 'The sky is blue'

'you only say that because You have always enjoyed liberal left blue skies while playing patty-cake with China Mieville. It's been dark skies forever here'

'ye what?'

etc

 

[LiamO]

Some tuss was complaining earlier about how the poor should eat free range chicken before buying expensive TV's. I found the price of their free range versus other chicken on the website. If you don't have free range once a week you can save enough to get a hd ready 32 inch tv every year with change. No brainer.

The other thing that must be considered... that of relative value. 24/7 presence of the telly Vs the fleeting moment of tasty food (which is just tomorrow's shit anyway).

Judged against the time lots of people (especially those with fuck all money) spend watching them, TVs are exceptional value.

 

[LiamO]

Liams just doing contarian again- if theres a consensus he will argue against it.

as opposed to always wanting to be part of a consensus? Why should every discussion here binary by demand?

Why don't you just engage with the question Dotty? I always value your contribution.

(I think) my position is a) is this really the case? b) what could I, personally, do to change it?

* I say 'I think' because it is a strong opinion, loosely held. I am open to persuasion.

 

[Thora]

Where does he argue this?

Lo Siento says his point is that poor families feed themselves badly.

 

[LiamO]

barefoot to school over broken glass

rich bastard... so posh ye could afford to smash glass instead of getting a tanner back for the bottle

 

[DotCommunist]

as opposed to always wanting to be part of a consensus? Why should every discussion here binary by demand?

Why don't you just engage with the question Dotty? I always value your contribution.

(I think) my position is a) is this really the case? b) what could I, personally, do to change it?

* I say 'I think' because it is a strong opinion, loosely held. I am open to persuasion.

I've plenty of room for binary discussion but when a cunt is a cunt then he should be called so- my position is 'what do I know, maybe I should read a bit ' or 'Oh I know this prick, whats he said now'

theres every room for beelzebubs paralegal but sometimes it really is just a cut and dried case.

 

[butchersapron]

Lo Siento says his point is that poor families feed themselves badly.

Who am i talking about? Did he say:

food and health are linked to poverty.

 

[Thora]

I have no idea what you're arguing about anymore.

 

[butchersapron]

I have no idea what you're arguing about anymore.

You said:

Well, I do agree with him that food and health are linked to poverty

I asked you where he says this.