Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

[Johnny Canuck3]

Diaspora jews are hardly more safer after the creation of israel than before though.
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I'd say you have a point in part, given the number of people who want to see them dead or driven into the sea.


The difference this time, is that it will be a little more costly for the anti semites to do their work, seeing as how the jews are heavily armed this time around.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

What does Israel do to help victims of aniti-semitism around the world? Nothing except "encourage" them (and in some cases coerce) them to come to Israel. .

I think what they're saying is that if you're jewish and 'out there', you will always be a little bit vulnerable, and that at least in Israel, there is a place of relative sanctuary.

 

[frogwoman]

I'd agree. I don't think those women and children killed in Tel Aviv markets were any less innocent.

I agree completely. But it's DIFFERENT. They didn't die as a result of anti-semitism. They died as a result of a political situation created by their and other governments in the middle east and the west.

The Jews killed in the holocaust and the middle ages didn't have a government whcih claimed to speak for them and went around massacring people. They had nothing behind them. They didn't have any weapons. They weren't going around, stealing people's land. They weren't starting any wars. They were just wanting a quiet life,they didn't want to cause anyone any harm.


If there was a thread on jews in the middle ages and some twat posted a lot of fake quotes from rabbis and went on about the fact that a few jews were known to call people "goyim" and the like, well it'd be pretty justified to think that person was just an anti-semite or at least had some sort of agenda.

 

[frogwoman]

I think what they're saying is that if you're jewish and 'out there', you will always be a little bit vulnerable, and that at least in Israel, there is a place of relative sanctuary.

so on one hand you're claiming that israel is a place of sanctuary and on the other hand you're saying that it's under threat all the time.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

So it's just confusion that gets them strapping on suicide belts?

Are you still persisting with the same line that being anti Israeli state actions means you're an anti semite?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I agree completely. But it's DIFFERENT. They didn't die as a result of anti-semitism. .

So if one of those confused palestinians equates jews with israel, and decides to put on a bomb belt, the jews who die as a result weren't killed because they were jews, because the palestinian's jew-hatred was actually misplaced?

 

[frogwoman]

So it's just confusion that gets them strapping on suicide belts?

It's been explained to you thousands of times. You are deliberately being stupid.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Are you still persisting with the same line that being anti Israeli state actions means you're an anti semite?

Frogwoman said that some palestinians might hate jews, but it's a mistake because they should be hating Israel, but nonetheless, they are now hating jews until someone sets them straight.

 

[frogwoman]

So if one of those confused palestinians equates jews with israel, and decides to put on a bomb belt, the jews who die as a result weren't killed because they were jews, because the palestinian's jew-hatred was actually misplaced?

You are deliberately being stupid. Either you didn't read the other half of my post or you are just persisting in this line out of sheer stubbornness.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It's been explained to you thousands of times. You are deliberately being stupid.

But.... they hate jews, even though they should hate israel, but the reason they strap on the belt isn't because they hate jews?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You are deliberately being stupid. Either you didn't read the other half of my post or you are just persisting in this line out of sheer stubbornness.

I'm just trying to understand what it it you're saying, because it doesn't make sense to me.

The bit about how the palestinians who hate jews, don't actually hate jews or something?

 

[frogwoman]

But.... they hate jews, even though they should hate israel, but the reason they strap on the belt isn't because they hate jews?

If your home had been destroyed and many members of your family had been murdered for no reason then you might also be a little confused in your thinking.

 

[little_legs]

If your home had been destroyed and many members of your family had been murdered for no reason then you might also be a little confused in your thinking.

or if you are hungry, and your movements are restricted, and you essentially have no access to basic freedoms, you are more likely to look/fall for less peaceful ways to vent your frustration.

 

[frogwoman]

yep.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

If your home had been destroyed and many members of your family had been murdered for no reason then you might also be a little confused in your thinking.

Like the original jewish emigrees to Israel, too?

 

[frogwoman]

Not the majority of the original ones, no. Theodor Herzl came from an upper class assimilated jewish family and claimed that the best way to stop anti-semitism would be for all jews to convert to christianity.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Frogwoman said that some palestinians might hate jews, but it's a mistake because they should be hating Israel, but nonetheless, they are now hating jews until someone sets them straight.

So you are still persisting with it then, despite it being explained to you repeatedly.

I'll have a go at it again for you though.

It's pretty reasonable to assume that suicide bombers from the gaza strip aren't exactly going to be particularly well educated. In light of this they see a government, run by Jewish people, stealing their land, humiliating them and slaughtering them for over half a century. They're not going to realise that it's actually extreme Jews (Zionists) who do this so they're going to say "I hate Jews."

As frogwoman said it's much the same as Ukrainians in Soviet times saying "I hate Russians" rather than directing their anger at the Soviet state. In fact you can even equate it to seemingly racist attitudes in the UK when some people say "I hate muslims 'cause they wanna blow us up" when really it's extreme muslims (Jihadists) who they're angry at.

In all cases it's the extremists who fuck it up for the vast majority of any religious or ethnic group because blowing people up tends to get more attention than just going to work, eating and watching TV, which is what the vast majority of people do in any group, i.e they mind their own business.

Of course there are exceptions and you do get people who are just racist fucks.

Is that clear enough for you?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Not the majority of the original ones, no. Theodor Herzl came from an upper class assimilated jewish family and claimed that the best way to stop anti-semitism would be for all jews to convert to christianity.

So there weren't a bunch of jewish emigrees from postwar Europe?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Not the majority of the original ones, no. Theodor Herzl came from an upper class assimilated jewish family and claimed that the best way to stop anti-semitism would be for all jews to convert to christianity.

I don't get this paragraph. You say the majority weren't, then you tell us about one guy.

 

[frogwoman]

The jews arriving after WWII weren't "the original colonists" you twat.

 

[frogwoman]

So you are still persisting with it then, despite it being explained to you repeatedly.

I'll have a go at it again for you though.

It's pretty reasonable to assume that suicide bombers from the gaza strip aren't exactly going to be particularly well educated. In light of this they see a government, run by Jewish people, stealing their land, humiliating them and slaughtering them for over half a century. They're not going to realise that it's actually extreme Jews (Zionists) who do this so they're going to say "I hate Jews."

As frogwoman said it's much the same as Ukrainians in Soviet times saying "I hate Russians" rather than directing their anger at the Soviet state. In fact you can even equate it to seemingly racist attitudes in the UK when some people say "I hate muslims 'cause they wanna blow us up" when really it's extreme muslims (Jihadists) who they're angry at.

In all cases it's the extremists who fuck it up for the vast majority of any religious or ethnic group because blowing people up tends to get more attention than just going to work, eating and watching TV, which is what the vast majority of people do in any group, i.e they mind their own business.

Of course there are exceptions and you do get people who are just racist fucks.

Is that clear enough for you?

Excellent post DC

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

So you are still persisting with it then, despite it being explained to you repeatedly.

I'll have a go at it again for you though.

It's pretty reasonable to assume that suicide bombers from the gaza strip aren't exactly going to be particularly well educated. In light of this they see a government, run by Jewish people, stealing their land, humiliating them and slaughtering them for over half a century. They're not going to realise that it's actually extreme Jews (Zionists) who do this so they're going to say "I hate Jews."

As frogwoman said it's much the same as Ukrainians in Soviet times saying "I hate Russians" rather than directing their anger at the Soviet state.

I think the Ukranians hated the Russians, and the Palestinians hated the Jews.

You're right, they don't do all the thinking to arrive at hatred of the overriding state, instead of the people in it. They just hate jews, or russians, or what have you.

But who said that racism was a cerebral exercise? It isn't.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

In fact you can even equate it to seemingly racist attitudes in the UK when some people say "I hate muslims 'cause they wanna blow us up" when really it's extreme muslims (Jihadists) who they're angry at.

Yeah. Stupid, eh?

It's like in the US after 911. They were yanking turban-wearing Sikhs off of trains. Totally stupid, because Sikhs had nothing to do with it.

But even so, the Sikhs still got yanked off trains.

Racism isn't about smarts.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

FFS Johnny

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The jews arriving after WWII weren't "the original colonists" you twat.

Remind me again of the year in which the state of Israel was created?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

FFS Johnny

Tongue tied, eh?


It's so funny watching you try to come up with a logical and rational exegesis of racism.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Could you do me the courtesy of answering me this one question please?

Do you think people who are against the actions of the Israeli state are anti semites?

Just a simple yes or no will suffice, thanks.

 

[frogwoman]

I think the Ukranians hated the Russians, and the Palestinians hated the Jews.

You're right, they don't do all the thinking to arrive at hatred of the overriding state, instead of the people in it. They just hate jews, or russians, or what have you.

But who said that racism was a cerebral exercise? It isn't.

What about the Jews in the Middle Ages Johnny. What if they sat around after having to take away all their belongings for possibly the third or second time in their lives, after having no food, and having seen their families tortured to death, after bieing raped, etc, and they sat around and said something like, "Christians are all cunts" or "the gentiles all hate us and deserve to die" or "I hope someone does kill and eat a goddamn Christian baby like they're always accusing us of" or, something of the sort?


What if one of these jews even wrote a book bout it??

I guess that would make them racist twats would it??

 

[toggle]

Remind me again of the year in which the state of Israel was created?

what the fuck has that got to do with the original jewish immigrants to israel?

 

[Catalyst]

New user.

Been browsing this thread and what amazes me (other than the tendency of many Israeli citizens to quote and defend information/propaganda from biased, self-preserving Israeli sources) is how much the words 'anti-semitic' and 'Jew' appear...

First of all, since the beginning of the thread, those who use the words Jews or anti-semitic are by and large pro-Israeli (as appose to true haters of Judaism and Jews). Please, do not be so 'us against the world, they hate us, we'll show them'. Nobody with a rational mind hates jewish people. Israel may be a Jewish state but the disgusting actions it has perpertrated and stood by, over many a year, stem from Man's greed rather than Judaism...

I cannot count how many individual, un-related Israeli atrocities I have seen reported in the news for as long as I can remember. And before you say 'we are attacked with rockets.. Only three Israelis (in total) have died from rocket attacks since they began.

This is in America:

And this is in my city of London:

You, in your mind, know the reality is that you stand behind the term 'Jew' as a defense mechanism and the truth is you are only a product of human fear, weakness and desire for (the self-induced illusion of) control. Your state heavily censors the news reports that may enter your country (along with preventing the great Jewish mind that is Noam Chomsky from entering Israel) and your leaders speak whilst pretending to be in ignorant of facts such as: the FACT that the flotilla had been thoroughly checked over/inspected for anything un-desirable, in the port before departing for Gaza (yet as high as your leader, still stated that 'there could have been weapons aboard').

Wether you be white, black, christian, buddhist or Jewish, you are still susceptible to human, emotional weakness and a desire to be right, superior and most of all, significant in the grand scale of things. Yes you may pretend to believe the trash you talk but deep down you know you are only defending your socially protective bubble in an otherwise scary world where you posess no individual strength. Please, please do not relate your weakness to emotion to your religion and accuse others of anti-semtism before the word Jew has even been mentioned, no mind a derogatory mention of Judaism.

You are a product of a twisted factory and need to be returned for repair.