Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

[Johnny Canuck3]

what the fuck has that got to do with the original jewish immigrants to israel?

Did I use a wrong word?

I hope you were still able to glean the meaning from what I said, even with that error in it.

Or do you need a little help?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

New user.

Been browsing this thread and what amazes me (other than the tendency of many Israeli citizens to quote and defend information/propaganda from biased, self-preserving Israeli sources) is how much the words 'anti-semitic' and 'Jew' appear...

First of all, since the beginning of the thread, those who use the words Jews or anti-semitic are by and large pro-Israeli (as appose to true haters of Judaism and Jews). Please, do not be so 'us against the world, they hate us, we'll show them'. Nobody with a rational mind hates jewish people. Israel may be a Jewish state but the disgusting actions it has perpertrated and stood by, over many a year, stem from Man's greed rather than Judaism...

I cannot count how many individual, un-related Israeli atrocities I have seen reported in the news for as long as I can remember. And before you say 'we are attacked with rockets.. Only three Israelis (in total) have died from rocket attacks since they began.

This is in America:

And this is in my city of London:

You, in your mind, know the reality is that you stand behind the term 'Jew' as a defense mechanism and the truth is you are only a product of human fear, weakness and desire for (the self-induced illusion of) control. Your state heavily censors the news reports that may enter your country (along with preventing the great Jewish mind that is Noam Chomsky from entering Israel) and your leaders speak whilst pretending to be in ignorant of facts such as: the FACT that the flotilla had been thoroughly checked over/inspected for anything un-desirable, in the port before departing for Gaza (yet as high as your leader, still stated that 'there could have been weapons aboard').

Wether you be white, black, christian, buddhist or Jewish, you are still susceptible to human, emotional weakness and a desire to be right, superior and most of all, significant in the grand scale of things. Yes you may pretend to believe the trash you talk but deep down you know you are only defending your socially protective bubble in an otherwise scary world where you posess no individual strength. Please, please do not relate your weakness to emotion to your religion and accuse others of anti-semtism before the word Jew has even been mentioned, no mind a derogatory mention of Judaism.

You are a product of a twisted factory and need to be returned for repair.

Good one.


Should we invade?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Tongue tied, eh?


It's so funny watching you try to come up with a logical and rational exegisis of racism.

No i'm not tongue tied at all. I wasn't even trying to rationalise racism. You're either being deliberately obtuse or genuinely misunderstanding what I, and pretty much everyone else, have been saying to you throughout this thread. I'm guessing it's the former.

 

[toggle]

Did I use a wrong word?

I hope you were still able to glean the meaning from what I said, even with that error in it.

Or do you need a little help?

I think you do if you equate the original Jewish settlement of Israel with the post war period.

so perhaps you could explain why you choose to do this?

 

[frogwoman]

Answer this question johnny

What about the Jews in the Middle Ages Johnny. What if they sat around after having to take away all their belongings for possibly the third or second time in their lives, after having no food, and having seen their families tortured to death, after bieing raped, etc, and they sat around and said something like, "Christians are all cunts" or "the gentiles all hate us and deserve to die" or "I hope someone does kill and eat a goddamn Christian baby like they're always accusing us of" or, something of the sort?


What if one of these jews even wrote a book bout it??

I guess that would make them racist twats would it??

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

"Well you see, the reason for the animosity arises from the overlying state; but due to the confluence of antecedent factors such as low educational attainment, residual emotionality arising from past transgressions and the like, the average person on the street mistakenly directs their aggression against the race which they see represented in the majority around them, instead of toward the political structures where the underlying culpability rests.

With education, these individuals could determine that the best course of action is a rational discourse with those controlling the political structures, and that a cessation of the miguided hostilities against the representative racial majority grouping, would be a rational and positive outcome.'

 

[frogwoman]

Dont be a cunt. Answer the question.

Would these people be stupid racists or not

YES/NO

 

[free spirit]

New user.

Been browsing this thread and what amazes me (other than the tendency of many Israeli citizens to quote and defend information/propaganda from biased, self-preserving Israeli sources) is how much the words 'anti-semitic' and 'Jew' appear....

just to put you in the picture, Johnny Cannuck is Canadian, and Spymaster is british. I've not read the entire thread, so maybe there were Israeli's posting at some point in defence of these actions, but the 2 main protagonists aren't.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Could you do me the courtesy of answering me this one question please?

Do you think people who are against the actions of the Israeli state are anti semites?

Just a simple yes or no will suffice, thanks.

Answering this one too would be good, thanks

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

just to put you in the picture, Johnny Cannuck is Canadian, and Spymaster is british. I've not read the entire thread, so maybe there were Israeli's posting at some point in defence of these actions, but the 2 main protagonists aren't.

There used to be an actual live Israeli who posted here named Rachamim, but he was eventually hounded out the door.

The opinion of an actual live Israeli isn't really truly wanted around these parts, you see.

 

[free spirit]

Good one.


Should we invade?

yep. I reckon you and spymaster should do a kamikaze mission, although you probably ought to be aware that spymaster would be fuck all use, so it'd basically just be you... think you can handle that?

 

[frogwoman]

answer the questions. what is your point in posting such a glib and nonsensical answer "dialogue with the structures of the state" ffs. Answer the questions that were asked to you.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Answering this one too would be good, thanks

This one?

Do you think people who are against the actions of the Israeli state are anti semites?

I don't think that those who are against Israel are a monolith. I suspect that there are both anti semites, and non-anti-semites represented within the class.

 

[Spymaster]

I've not read the entire thread, so maybe there were Israeli's posting at some point in defence of these actions, but the 2 main protagonists aren't.

Well I'd suggest that you do read the thread as I haven't once posted in defence of the Israeli action and have strongly condemned it several times.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Dont be a cunt. Answer the question.

Would these people be stupid racists or not

YES/NO

Which people?

Are british people who hate all muslims when they should be hating the very fringe of the muslim extremists, stupid racists?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

There used to be an actual live Israeli who posted here named Rachamim, but he was eventually hounded out the door.

The opinion of an actual live Israeli isn't really truly wanted around these parts, you see.

It is indeed, i'd love to have 'an actual live Israeli round these parts.'

What likely happened is that he was soundly beaten in debate, just like you have been on this thread. The difference is he probably has better things to do with his life than argue on a message board where as you don't.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

yep. I reckon you and spymaster should do a kamikaze mission, although you probably ought to be aware that spymaster would be fuck all use, so it'd basically just be you... think you can handle that?

I'd rather go alone than have you or one of the other members of the Internet Army watching my back.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It is indeed, i'd love to have 'an actual live Israeli round these parts.'

What likely happened is that he was soundly beaten in debate, just like you have been on this thread. The difference is he probably has better things to do with his life than argue on a message board where as you don't.

He was banned.

 

[frogwoman]

Which people?

Are british people who hate all muslims when they should be hating the very fringe of the muslim extremists, stupid racists?

would jews who had just lost everything in a pogrom for some stupid reason like "jews killed a christian baby" be racist cunts if they said something like "gentiles are scum" while sitting around with their few salvaged belongings.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Well I'd suggest that you do read the thread as I haven't once posted in defence of the Israeli action and have strongly condemned it several times.

Oh for fuck's sake, do you think that matters?

Why are you trying to confuse things by bringing up the truth, again?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I don't think that those who are against Israel are a monolith. I suspect that there are both anti semites, and non-anti-semites represented within the class.

So why are you saying that all Palestinian suicide bombers are anti semites then

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

would jews who had just lost everything in a pogrom for some stupid reason like "jews killed a christian baby" be racist cunts if they said something like "gentiles are scum" while sitting around with their few salvaged belongings.

I think hating a whole race based upon your interactions with a handful, is kinda dumb. Yeah.

But with jews in russia etc, pretty much every gentile they came across, spat upon them.

In the UK, most of the muslims aren't doing anything to those racist brits. That's the difference.

 

[frogwoman]

This one?



I don't think that those who are against Israel are a monolith. I suspect that there are both anti semites, and non-anti-semites represented within the class.

that's nice

do you think the non-anti-semites are repeating anti-semitic arguments without realising it,

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

So why are you saying that all Palestinian suicide bombers are anti semites then

Where, uh, did I say that?

 

[toggle]

There used to be an actual live Israeli who posted here named Rachamim, but he was eventually hounded out the door.

The opinion of an actual live Israeli isn't really truly wanted around these parts, you see.

no he wasn't hounded out.

he was banned.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

do you think the non-anti-semites are repeating anti-semitic arguments without realising it,

I'm losing the signal again................hello? Hello?

 

[frogwoman]

I think hating a whole race based upon your interactions with a handful, is kinda dumb. Yeah.

But with jews in russia etc, pretty much every gentile they came across, spat upon them

much like the palestinians then

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

no he wasn't hounded out.

he was banned.

No shit sherlock

04-06-2010, 01:19
Johnny Canuck3
Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor Carrot
It is indeed, i'd love to have 'an actual live Israeli round these parts.'

What likely happened is that he was soundly beaten in debate, just like you have been on this thread. The difference is he probably has better things to do with his life than argue on a message board where as you don't.

He was banned.

 

[frogwoman]

I'm losing the signal again................hello? Hello?

Jesus christ.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

much like the palestinians then

You answered my question about racist brits with a question about russian pogrom victims. Let's try to focus.