Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
You didn't say the exact words but this is clearly the argument you're very transparently making. Do fire away with your denials though.
Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.
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You didn't say the exact words but this is clearly the argument you're very transparently making. Do fire away with your denials though.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
You didn't answer my original question, which is why i repeated it.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
not as vocally as you've condemned the people who got beaten up / killed from what I've seen of this thread.
You've happily posted up the lines the Israelis and their apologists are pushing such as the martyrdom line, which to my mind puts you in the same boat as them (which from recent events, doesn't seem like a very good place to be...
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little_legs
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interesting... so you are not being a , you are just putting in a shift for Sas?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Six thirty here..... lets do the math..............add seven............means...............it's the Silly Hour there.
Bye.
Bye.
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wobbly
so why did you claim he was hounded out if you knew he was banned?
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Six thirty here..... lets do the math..............add seven............means...............it's the Silly Hour there.
Bye.
Chicken
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I disagreed with pretty much all of his posts, but he polite, intelligent and made the place interesting. He was certainly "hounded" but he was far smarter than many of his detractors so it was water off a duck's back.
Bit of a cunt though, but this place is full of cunts.
The Middle East forum just went back to being a circle-jerk when he was banned.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Doctor Carrot said:So why are you saying that all Palestinian suicide bombers are anti semites then
And here is that very transparent argument nicely quoted for you and others to see
free spirit
more tea vicar?
this forum is definitely poorer without him IMO, as it now has pretty much no input at all from anyone who actually knows how the IDF operate and think from their own experience.
I'd prefer to have him coming to Israel's defence than JC1 2 or 3 any day of the week, because at least he knew what he was talking about.
he wasn't exactly a zionist autobot either, as he posted several threads that were critical of the israeli government's position on some issues, mostly actually issues that I'd only vaguely heard about previously. I never did really get why he was banned.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Don't be daft. I've condemned the Israeli action, the regime, the blockade, and supported the flotilla. All on this thread.
But everyone's doing that, so you choose to ignore it and base your arguments on what I've posted against the grain; my questioning of the defence tactics on the Marmara, and I'm forced into bolstering my opinion.
Wrong again. Someone else mentioned Kelvin McKenzie's appalling display on QT tonight. I asked if anyone had seen any corroboration of what he was saying (the martydom line), specifically acknowledging that I had tried and been unable to find anything that supported him.
You then picked-up and ran with the 'martyrs and terrorists' thing!
I fully expect blatant misrepresentation from the likes of Free Spirit and his pals, that's what they do when they don't like what you're saying. In this case, that both sides fucked-up.
But I'd have thought that you would be able to see through that.
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wobbly
he started posting some shit claiming fascism was a good thing.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
I've just been back through your posts and was about to apologise, but after seeing your edit you can get a fuck right off instead.Don't be daft. I've condemned the Israeli action, the regime, the blockade, and supported the flotilla. All on this thread.
But everyone's doing that, so you choose to ignore it and base your arguments on what I've posted against the grain; my questioning of the defence tactics on the Marmara, and I'm forced into bolstering my opinion.
Wrong again. Someone else mentioned Kelvin McKenzie's appalling display on QT tonight. I asked if anyone had seen any corroboration of what he was saying (the martydom line), specifically acknowledging that I had tried and been unable to find anything that supported him.
You then picked-up and ran with the 'martyrs and terrorists' thing!
I fully expect blatant misrepresentation from the likes of Free Spirit and his pals, that's what they do when they don't like what you're saying.
But I'd have thought that you would be able to see through that.
if you play the role of tag team partner with JC2/3 you may find that his and your precise take on the arguement get somewhat blurred in the readers mind.
btw your edit has 2 conflicting sentiments in it.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Question Time last night! I was watching Kelvin Mackenzie's vituperative rant with a wtf! reaction ... till I remembered who he was I wish Dimbleby had seen fit to remind the audience that this was the guy responsible for the Sun's reporting of the Hillsborough disaster "I was not sorry then, and I'm not sorry now". Accurate reporting is not his strong point - to put it mildly. He's fucking vile and his performance last night was entirely consistent with the right wing, jingoistic, hyberbolic, hysterical, tabloid "TRUTH" that he spouts.
*deep breath* anyway ... to pick up on his hysteria about 'martyrs'. When I heard him going on about that, I was a bit 'eh?' for a minute, then I remembered something that Tangentlama had posted a few pages back. How 'shahid' is interchangeable with 'witness' and 'martyr' (and iirc, TAE I think, also said that similarly the Greek word for witness also means martyr). The posts are here: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=15708109
So it appears that one of the activists said they were going on the aid envoy to witness the delivery of the aid, and that the word 'witness' has been seized upon and used in its alternative meaning of 'martyr'. Well he/they may indeed have thought it was likely that they'd be martyrs too, if they truly anticipated that they'd be killed in the process ... who's to say? But it seems likely that this is where the, erm, confusion, has arisen.
On a sidenote, why was Diane Abbott banging on about 6 fatalities; when 9 bodies were delivered back to Turkey yesterday, and it's still unclear about the final death toll?
I wish Dimbleby had seen fit to remind the audience that this was the guy responsible for the Sun's reporting of the Hillsborough disaster "I was not sorry then, and I'm not sorry now". Accurate reporting is not his strong point - to put it mildly. He's fucking vile and his performance last night was entirely consistent with the right wing, jingoistic, hyberbolic, hysterical, tabloid "TRUTH" that he spouts.*deep breath* anyway ... to pick up on his hysteria about 'martyrs'. When I heard him going on about that, I was a bit 'eh?'
for a minute, then I remembered something that Tangentlama had posted a few pages back. How 'shahid' is interchangeable with 'witness' and 'martyr' (and iirc, TAE I think, also said that similarly the Greek word for witness also means martyr). The posts are here: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=15708109So it appears that one of the activists said they were going on the aid envoy to witness the delivery of the aid, and that the word 'witness' has been seized upon and used in its alternative meaning of 'martyr'. Well he/they may indeed have thought it was likely that they'd be martyrs too, if they truly anticipated that they'd be killed in the process ... who's to say? But it seems likely that this is where the, erm, confusion, has arisen.
On a sidenote, why was Diane Abbott banging on about 6 fatalities; when 9 bodies were delivered back to Turkey yesterday, and it's still unclear about the final death toll?
Particularly interesting analysis from Max Blumenthal:
http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/06/th...idf-detailed-its-violent-strategy-in-advance/
http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/06/th...idf-detailed-its-violent-strategy-in-advance/
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Now, now; more disingenuity. Firstly, you have already heard me give two examples where colonisers have behaved as badly. Secondly, it is not the precursors to the current Israeli state who are in question here; it is the current batch.
Turkish civilians have the audacity to die after being shot repeatedly in the head. Amidst the outrage, Interior Minister seeks to strip Israeli Arab MK of citizenship.
Why are Israeli Jews so angry? It was their boys who committed the massacre.
Why are Israeli Jews so angry? It was their boys who committed the massacre.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Johnny, please read some history books. Even bad ones. But at least read something.
audiotech
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Eyewitness account by Sarah Colborne of the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign.
Also a report from Kevin Ovenden, a representative of Viva Palestina.
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=21438
Also a report from Kevin Ovenden, a representative of Viva Palestina.
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=21438
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
9 dead - shot as they tried to transport aid to Gaza aboard the vessel Mavi Mamara.
These people have been accused by Israel of being terrorists.
Have a look at their names, their faces, and their occupations.
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2010/06/putting-names-to-faces.html
The first man - the eldest, I think we saw him being taken down some stairs, injured, in the Al Jazeera video
These people have been accused by Israel of being terrorists.
Have a look at their names, their faces, and their occupations.
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2010/06/putting-names-to-faces.html
The first man - the eldest, I think we saw him being taken down some stairs, injured, in the Al Jazeera video
Spion
I hear ya
Best he doesn't confuse his knuckle-headed self. He exists to bang home the message that anyone who criticises Israel is anti-jew
past caring
The Cathars were right
Question Time last night! I was watching Kelvin Mackenzie's vituperative rant with a wtf! reaction ... till I remembered who he was
*deep breath* anyway ... to pick up on his hysteria about 'martyrs'. When I heard him going on about that, I was a bit 'eh?'
So it appears that one of the activists said they were going on the aid envoy to witness the delivery of the aid, and that the word 'witness' has been seized upon and used in its alternative meaning of 'martyr'. Well he/they may indeed have thought it was likely that they'd be martyrs too, if they truly anticipated that they'd be killed in the process ... who's to say? But it seems likely that this is where the, erm, confusion, has arisen.
On a sidenote, why was Diane Abbott banging on about 6 fatalities; when 9 bodies were delivered back to Turkey yesterday, and it's still unclear about the final death toll?
Mackenzie - what a truely fucking horrible cunt he is. Wasn't QT in Brecon? I remember him equating the IDF being attacked with bars etc. when they landed on the boat as, "If you were walking down the street in Brecon on a Friday night and someone came up and punched you" and thus as a defence for their killing the 9 activists.
And no-one - literally no-one - pulled the cunt up on this. Come and walk down my street you cunt.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
Eye-witness accounts are receiving an airing:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/03/gaza-flotilla-attack-turkey-funeral
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
There's 7 reported posts in my inbox, there's 300 posts I haven't read. It's the middle east forum shitstorm again and quite frankly I don't have time or inclination to wipe up after this mess. Here's the thing, right - IGNORE the trolls, or people you perceive as trolls, and the problem evaporates. Just don't engage. Don't even post 'I'm not engaging' because that's engaging.
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wobbly
he seems to be insinuating that the Jewish immigration began after the creation of the state of Israel.
From what I can recall, there were more than a smattering of communists among the early zionists. If this is the case, I can see why jc would want to airbrush history.
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