Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

[Johnny Canuck3]

. There are other actions you can take besides military action. .

Like what? They break the peace accords, ignore the UN resolutions and sanctions, and are trying to kill off the people in Gaza.

Surely that comes within the definition of 'rogue nation'.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yeah I know that i'm just illustrating the point. There were plenty of people posturing over Iraq's perceived threat and they followed it up with standing armies.

But Israel is a real threat, no?

 

[frogwoman]

It's not just zionists though. There's a closing ranks deal going on ...prob 60% of my customers/contacts are jewish (none orthodox) and even though that's a small sample, if you get into proper conversation about what's going on in Middle East they get well uncomfortable but bottom line is support Israel.

And I get that 'brinksmanship' thing that Israel does ... I do it. IMO the US and NATO need to grow some, but that's unlikely cos the US are just interested in the main chance (for them) and NATO prove over and over again that they're toothless and not worth Israel's respect.

aye - thats also true

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Like what? They break the peace accords, ignore the UN resolutions and sanctions, and are trying to kill off the people in Gaza.

Surely that comes within the definition of 'rogue nation'.

How many times does it need to be said? The actions that can be taken is America ordering it to stop the blockade and agree to the Taba proposals. Believe me, if America told Israel to kiss every Palestinian on the forehead they'd do it.

 

[8ball]

Fuck's sake - people are still wasting electrons engaging these idiots in conversation . . .

 

[frogwoman]

Like what? They break the peace accords, ignore the UN resolutions and sanctions, and are trying to kill off the people in Gaza.

Surely that comes within the definition of 'rogue nation'.

Question is whether military action is the correct way to deal with it though and for most people on this thread the answer is no.

i see what you're trying to do here and i think it's pretty fucking disingenuous.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

IMO the US and NATO need to grow some,.

What does 'grow some' mean? That if Israel ignores UN resolutions and breaks international law, that it should be subject to military action, like Serbia was?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

But Israel is a real threat, no?

This is silly, Johnny. Yes it is a real threat backed up by an even bigger threat. You're just making 'what if' proposals again which are irrelevant to the real world.

 

[DotCommunist]

As froggy has pointed out, he wants people to give it the tough crush-them talk about Israel so he can have a wank on about leftist anti semites. Wafer thin.

 

[frogwoman]

But Israel is a real threat, no?

saddam was a mass murdering cunt, doesn't mean it was right for the "coalition" to come steaming in with a whole lot of agendas of their own and fuck the entire place up for everybody.

not a question of not having the stomach, you're trying to pigeonhole people into admitting they support military action on israel, most people do not, so you're just attempting to put words in their mouths.

 

[frogwoman]

What does 'grow some' mean? That if Israel ignores UN resolutions and breaks international law, that it should be subject to military action, like Serbia was?

who says the military action against serbia was justified?

oh yea, it was you actually

 

[Spymaster]

The breathtaking lunacy was from the Israelis ......

Compounded by the breathtaking lunacy of 'The Defenders'.

Get it yet?

You fuckin dolt.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Question is whether military action is the correct way to deal with it though and for most people on this thread the answer is no.

i see what you're trying to do here and i think it's pretty fucking disingenuous.

People think anything that I do that they disagree with is disingenuous. I'm not sure that most people have a very firm grasp on the definition of the word.

It's a simple question. Many people criticise Israel, question how it came into existence, question its actions to the present day. But no one ever says how the problem should be solved.

As I've pointed out, Israel ignores peace treaties and deals, seems to ignore words. So what is left?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

People think anything that I do that they disagree with is disingenuous. I'm not sure that most people have a very firm grasp on the definition of the word.

It's a simple question. Many people criticise Israel, question how it came into existence, question its actions to the present day. But no one ever says how the problem should be solved.

As I've pointed out, Israel ignores peace treaties and deals, seems to ignore words. So what is left?

Shall I write it in big letters or are you just going to continue with this tedious line of questioning that everyone's already answered?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

who says the military action against serbia was justified?

oh yea, it was you actually

I said no such thing, actually.

Should we stand idly by and watch genocide be carried out against the Palestinians?

 

[frogwoman]

People think anything that I do that they disagree with is disingenuous. I'm not sure that most people have a very firm grasp on the definition of the word.

It's a simple question. Many people criticise Israel, question how it came into existence, question its actions to the present day. But no one ever says how the problem should be solved.

As I've pointed out, Israel ignores peace treaties and deals, seems to ignore words. So what is left?

You trying to make people say something on the lines of "we need a solution...a final solution".

Aint gonna happen johnny. Give it up. People have already said what they want.

Not even the BDS movement advocate military action on Israel. Nobody does.

Forget it.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Shall I write it in big letters or are you just going to continue with this tedious line of questioning that everyone's already answered?

What is the answer: that Israel is bad, and is committing genocide, but 'no' to any military solution?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

This is silly, Johnny. Yes it is a real threat backed up by an even bigger threat. You're just making 'what if' proposals again which are irrelevant to the real world.

I'm just wondering if there are any real solutions besides a lot of talk and placard waving.

 

[tangentlama]

What is the answer: that Israel is bad, and is committing genocide, but 'no' to any military solution?

Objection. Canuck is leading the witness.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

As froggy has pointed out, he wants people to give it the tough crush-them talk about Israel so he can have a wank on about leftist anti semites. Wafer thin.

No, I just want to know if you have the courage of your convictions, or if it's all just hollow talk. Something to write about on the internet on a slow night.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I'll turn it round on you, Johnny.

America continues to ignore resolutions and peace accords. It vetoes resolutions that guarantee the right to food, excludes itself from world court jurisdiction and excludes itself from anti genocide treaties.

Should an invasion of America take place then?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I'll turn it round on you, Johnny.

America continues to ignore resolutions and peace accords. It vetoes resolutions that guarantee the right to food, excludes itself from world court jurisdiction and excludes itself from anti genocide treaties.

Should an invasion of America take place then?

I'm not an anti american. You should ask one of them.

I know: let's ask you!

 

[8ball]

Dwyer's proof of the existence of God had ten times more logic going on than this sad piece of tag team attention seeking.

 

[cesare]

What does 'grow some' mean? That if Israel ignores UN resolutions and breaks international law, that it should be subject to military action, like Serbia was?

I don't know how many times I need to say to you that I don't think military action against is Israel would be right. But carry on ignoring that if you want.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I'm not an anti american. You should ask one of them.

I know: let's ask you!

Yeah because we all know that being against the actions of state power means you're against the people that live in that state, don't we?

 

[frogwoman]

ok here's what i want:

an immediate ban on arms exports to israel.
an immediate ban on military aid to israel.
international arrest warrants to be issues to israeli military and political leaders, and a tribunal to be set up for this.
economic sanctions. (im aware of the problems surrounding these, but it's preferable imo to either of the alternatives)
a ban on israeli goods being sold inside the EU

and all of this until Israel withdraws back to its 1967 borders.


There you go, no guns or wanking over IDF vs NATO gun battles.

 

[cesare]

How many times does it need to be said? The actions that can be taken is America ordering it to stop the blockade and agree to the Taba proposals. Believe me, if America told Israel to kiss every Palestinian on the forehead they'd do it.

No they wouldn't.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yeah because we all know that being against the actions of state power means you're against the people that live in that state, don't we?

In any event, let's focus. This thread is about Israel and Palestine.

So, how about it?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

No they wouldn't.

Yes they would.

 

[DotCommunist]

No, I just want to know if you have the courage of your convictions, or if it's all just hollow talk. Something to write about on the internet on a slow night.

that is bollocks though isn't it? You genuinely hoped for a 'crush israel' response so you could wank on one. I fully expect you to spend a few pages denying this. As usual.