Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

[dylans]

Can you recall Clinton's or Jimmy Carter's position on Israel?

Clinton tried at least. He got Arafat and Rabin to shake hands and talk

Oh but then Netanyahuh's friend shot Rabin and that was that

 

[butchersapron]

As I said I misused the term 'self defence'. For that I apologise.

I retch just reading your posts.

 

[free spirit]

well, I reckon from this thread I've learnt not to trust spymaster to watch my back in any situation ever.

 

[Spymaster]

I retch just reading your posts.

Get fucked wanker.

 

[Citizen66]

this thread has been educational for me. and now it has collapsed. stop the crap about the civil rights movement!

Fair point about the derailment but debating with jc3 is like trying to crack a nut with tissue paper and his hypothetical posturings were pathetic.

But besides that, who the fuck are you to dictate what direction a thread takes?

 

[ViolentPanda]

The Israelis are lying, murdering scum.

No, some Israeli citizens, and some elements of the power structure of the state of Israel are.

The Israelis I met in India were arrogant, racist and obnoxious.

Most "travellers" are frsh from their national service, so tend to still be soaked in the shitty attitudes they pick up in the IDF. After a couple of kickings they usually mellow out.

Evidently a nation of twats.

No, a nation of people much like other people, with the same problems of poor government, and the same number of angels and devils on the sidelines.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

it's clear that jc3 wanted the ships to surrender and do nothing..

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

. he has said that the passengers and aid workers made a choice to resist..

Yes, this part I did say.

 

[Spymaster]

well, I reckon from this thread I've learnt not to trust spymaster to watch my back in any situation ever.

I can assure you that in the face of a commando raid I'd be utterly useless!

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

ok jc3, do you believe the israelis' actions in boarding the ship and killing 9/10 people were justified at all? simple yes/no will do for now.

*cough*

over here jc3

*waves*

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I retch just reading your posts.

There's a certain eloquence to your misanthropy when you get in one of these moods.

 

[teqniq]

can someone comment if the peace keeping contingent is a viable option for gaza? is it possible for the un security council to pass a resolution on the peace keeping forces to be employed, because israel is clearly unable to manage aid deliveries to gaza.

Would be a great idea but alas, vanishingly unlikely. The U.S. would veto it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Cheap.

And, unfortunately for you, true.

 

[little_legs]

Fair point about the derailment but debating with jc3 is like trying to crack a nut with tissue paper and his hypothetical posturings were pathetic.

But besides that, who the fuck are you to dictate what direction a thread takes?

have you got anything to say about the resolution of the current crap situation there?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

*cough*

over here jc3

*waves*

From what I know of maritime/international law, it's illegal to board vessels in international waters without provocation, killing passengers in the process.

 

[dylans]

The attempts at post-situational information management by Israel makes me more than ever convinced that the IDF deployed onto the ships partly as a publicity stunt, and that if it hadn't been resisted so fiercely by the aid workers, weapons and other ordnance might just have turned up "concealed" in with the medicines and other essential supplies.

Perhaps that was the plan and they didn't count on the courage of those on board.

I still think they just wanted to make a point to any future activists thinking of trying the same thing in future by killing a few. People have been getting cocky and forgetting what fucking brutal maniacs they can be. This was a reminder

 

[rioted]

ok jc3, do you believe the israelis' actions in boarding the ship and killing 9/10 people were justified at all? simple yes/no will do for now.

You'll get some bollocks about not having enough information to say. He's posted twice as many times on this thread than anybody else. And all from a position of professed ignorance. Trolling. Don't engage.

 

[Citizen66]

have you got anything to say about the resolution of the current crap situation there?

They need to release who they have detained so we can have a clearer picture of what actually happened. Or do you mean the wider Israel/Palestine political situation? Got a lot to say on that but not at twenty past 11.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

But I'm drawing comparisons with something I assume you give a fuck about rather than some hypothetical thief. .

I'm trying to explain it in understandable terms, with the assistance of an analogy that many people might be able to relate to, or at least conceive of.

 

[little_legs]

Would be a great idea but alas, vanishingly unlikely. The U.S. would veto it.

why would they veto it? i would suspect they would be the very party to offer a contingent so their own military can see the humiliation of the palestinians for themselves.

 

[rioted]

ok jc3, do you believe the israelis' actions in boarding the ship and killing 9/10 people were justified at all? simple yes/no will do for now.

From what I know of maritime/international law, it's illegal to board vessels in international waters without provocation, killing passengers in the process.

And was it justified?

 

[dylans]

have you got anything to say about the resolution of the current crap situation there?

It's very simple isn't it.


They end the blockade

They stop building settlements

They enter peace talks in good faith.

That's a start.

 

[butchersapron]

Every fighter on board that ship a hero.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Has anyone posted this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10203778.stm

 

[Citizen66]

I'm trying to explain it in understandable terms, with the assistance of an analogy that many people might be able to relate to, or at least conceive of.

Same as what I was doing. Ah well, I'm off to bed.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I fucking give up.

Please do.

 

[dylans]

I'm trying to explain it in understandable terms, with the assistance of an analogy that many people might be able to relate to, or at least conceive of.

No you are trying to make excuses for that fascist bastard Netanyahuh but you haven't got the courage to just say it

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Every fighter on board that ship a hero.

So they're 'fighters' now, as opposed to peaceful aid workers?

 

[dylans]

Every fighter on board that ship a hero.

This

 

[free spirit]

I can assure you that in the face of a commando raid I'd be utterly useless!

noted

do you also think nobody should ever resist armed assailants, or are there instances where this is acceptable?