Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

[1%er]

Israel's ambassador to London says "we were wrong"

Israel's ambassador in London today admitted his country was wrong to carry out an armed raid on a humanitarian convoy sailing to Gaza.

Israeli commandos abseiled from helicopters onto six ships in international waters, ending with the death of at least 10 people on board one vessel and sparking a storm of international condemnation.

Today Israeli ambassador Ron Prosor said it was “obvious” that the attempt to seize the convoy “wasn't successful”. He told the BBC: “It's obvious — and I won't beat around the bush on this — that this wasn't successful and I think it clearly took up an issue that should have been solved differently.”

From here

 

[audiotech]

Finkelstein on Gaza Flotilla Attack.

"Is Israel acting like a lunatic state, or has it become a lunatic state?"

 

[Citizen66]

I've become increasingly unenamoured of the Israeli government over the past few years ... but this kind of toss just adds fuel to the flames & provides the zionists with evidence to support their 'disagreement = anti-semiticism' schtick.

This. The IDF are cunts but cut the Jew hating.

 

[Spymaster]

And your dismissive appraisal of the thread and posters involved, based on admittedly not being arsed to read the preceding contributions, wasn't? ..... We both played provocative and let's leave it at that given the thread subject.

Ok.

 

[tarannau]

Cheers. Whatever the bollocks, i really don't think this thread has been unbalanced. At times rightfully outraged at a totally unnecessary willy-waving bungle perhaps.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And your dismissive appraisal of the thread and posters involved, based on admittedly not being arsed to read the preceding contributions, wasn't?.

My dismissive appraisal of some posters is based upon attempting to put forward a reasoned position, only to be met with personal attacks and half-baked, semi-logical claptrap.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Cheers. Whatever the bollocks, i really don't think this thread has been unbalanced. .

Unbalanced? Never!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Don't disagree, my post was aimed at JC3's dehumanisation of the peace activists..

Are you actually a moron, or do you just play one on tv?

 

[1%er]

You've fallen out of love with Israel?

Do you agree with the Israel's ambassador to London when he admitted his country was wrong to carry out an armed raid on a humanitarian convoy sailing to Gaza.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I understand that he has a phrase for the Palestinians that shows exactly where he stands.

I have a phrase for you. It's 'moron'.

 

[cesare]

You've fallen out of love with Israel?

I was never in love with Israel. But I've always had quite a lot of sympathy for the Israeli plight ... rock and a hard place. I've a lot of admiration for how they've managed to somehow keep on existing as a nation. But as time goes on, I increasingly think that their behaviour is starting to resemble that which they have most cause to despise/fear/loathe.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Do you agree with the Israel's ambassador to London when he admitted his country was wrong to carry out an armed raid on a humanitarian convoy sailing to Gaza.

Why would I disagree with him?

 

[DotCommunist]

the abused becomes the abuser played out in a nation-state? That is a fucked up concept.

 

[Citizen66]

Surely it's Moran.

 

[quimcunx]

From here

I can't see where he says it was wrong. He says it wasn't successful but that's not the same thing at all.

He said the people on the sixth boat, a Turkish passenger ferry named Mavi Marmara that was in international waters, attacked the Israeli commandos with metal bars and knives.

Also, again, No, Mr. Prosor. The passengers did not attack the IDF. The IDF attacked the boat and the passengers attempted to defend it.

Prime Minister David Cameron described the attack, overnight on Saturday, as “unacceptable”. In a phone call to Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu last night, Mr Cameron insisted Britain remained committed to Israel's security, but called for a “constructive” response to “legitimate criticism” of its actions.

Has anyone ever heard our politicians say they are committed to Palestinian security? Me neither.

 

[1%er]

Why would I disagree with him?

So why are you blaming the victims here? If I came into your home at 4am and you shot me, would that be your fault?

 

[discokermit]

I've a lot of admiration for how they've managed to somehow keep on existing as a nation.

a nation created using violence and murder, sustained by using violence, murder and american money. i've not got any admiration at all.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

There were reports that the (Greek) captain of one of the other boats had been shot, will try and find it.

edit: found it:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/31/israeli-attacks-gaza-flotilla-activists

That's very interesting if true, indicating that the heavily news managed account we've had so far has been seriously misleading with regard to the shootings.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

So why are you blaming the victims here? If I came into your home at 4am and you shot me, would that be your fault?

If you're too stupid to understand it, why would I waste breath trying to explain what I've said to you, yet again?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

If I came into your home at 4am and you shot me, would that be your fault?

If someone came and gave you a sound spanking for being thick, I'm not sure anyone would find the spanker culpable.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

If you're too stupid to understand it, why would I waste breath trying to explain what I've said to you, yet again?

It must be tragic being so smart, so right and so misunderstood (in your mind)

 

[discokermit]

If someone came and gave you a sound spanking for being thick, I'm not sure anyone would find the spanker culpable.

give it up, johnny. you've made yourself look a cunt, the more you justify yourself, the more of a cunt you look.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Hey Bernie: don't forget that I have you on ignore, so commenting to me or about my posts is kind of pointless; unless, of course, you're just playing for effect to the peanut gallery.

 

[Dandred]

Friend, you've been saying that to me for years, on whatever thread, basically about whatever the post. So with you, I go with the maxim, 'consider the source'.

What are you on about?

You constantly troll and provoke here. You are scum.

This is the first time I have called you vile, and you are, in this case.


You defended the boat ramming and now you defend this.......

You have no friend here.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

give it up, johnny. you've made yourself look a cunt, the more you justify yourself, the more of a cunt you look.

That wasn't a justification. It was a personal attack directed at the smartness level of the poster.

 

[Spymaster]

It must be tragic being so smart, so right and so misunderstood (in your mind)

Hey Bernie: don't forget that I have you on ignore, so commenting to me or about my posts is kind of pointless; unless, of course, you're just playing for effect to the peanut gallery.

There you go!

 

[Citizen66]

Soon to be 100,000 posts.

Retirement?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You have no friend here.

If you sent me your friendship, I'd put it in a bag with a brick, and throw it into the canal.

 

[strung out]

It must be tragic being so smart, so right and so misunderstood (in your mind)

for johnny

 

[Spymaster]

You have no friend here.

I like him.