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Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

Demonstrations here are heckled and jeered.

I think you need to re-examine your logic on this one.

Have you ever seen the abuse that the tiny number of peace protesters get in Tel Aviv. The fact is the actions of the Netanyahuh government are applauded by Israeli's. You don't like that neither do I but it's the truth. There is very little opposition to the actions of their government.

Hey I would love to be proved wrong. Show me the mass demonstrations that sweep Netanyahuh from power. I wont hold my breath.
 
Have you ever seen the abuse that the tiny number of peace protesters get in Tel Aviv. The fact is the actions of the Netanyahuh government are applauded by Israeli's. You don't like that neither do I but it's the truth. There is very little opposition to the actions of their government.

Hey I would love to be proved wrong. Show me the mass demonstrations that sweep Netanyahuh from power. I wont hold my breath.

Again, you are failing to apply that logic to the position of your own govt.
 
Have you ever seen the abuse that the tiny number of peace protesters get in Tel Aviv. The fact is the actions of the Netanyahuh government are applauded by Israeli's. You don't like that neither do I but it's the truth. There is very little opposition to the actions of their government.

Hey I would love to be proved wrong. Show me the mass demonstrations that sweep Netanyahuh from power. I wont hold my breath.
I'm not denying there is widespread support for the Israeli state's actions. But that is not the same as saying it's universal. Nor is it the same as saying the electorate are responsible in the way the State is. Come on, this is basic stuff here.

There were no demonstrations sweeping Blair from power. You can't have one rule for Israelis and another for everyone else.
 
Demonstrations here are heckled and jeered.

I think you need to re-examine your logic on this one.

Reexamine what? The fact is the Israeli policy on Gaza has wide support, as does the blockade, the recent attacks on Lebanon, assassinations, the wall, settlement building in Jerusalem, the blockade, all of it. In fact the trend seems to be for harsher policies.
I don't like it any more than you but we are fooling ourselves to think this action will be condemned by Israelis. It won't, they will support it.
 
Reexamine what? The fact is the Israeli policy on Gaza has wide support, as does the blockade, the recent attacks on Lebanon, assassinations, the wall, settlement building in Jerusalem, the blockade, all of it. In fact the trend seems to be for harsher policies.
I don't like it any more than you but we are fooling ourselves to think this action will be condemned by Israelis. It won't, they will support it.

So what do you think "should be done" ?
 
So what do you think "should be done" ?

I don't have the answers and I'm not an Israeli but if I were i would hope that blatant examples of brutality like this can be the catalyst for a movement to end the siege of Gaza.

I really hope I am wrong and there are demonstrations against this. Israelis have done it in the past.
 
Because they've grown up in an entirely militarlised society, a society where they are basically bred to be in the military, and their whole media and everything says to them that the world "hates" them either for no reason, or because they're jews. Notions which in the west you might think have no meaing any more, but many of these people have originally come from places like moldova, which had jewish communities which were completley devastated by the holocaust and never recovered. The majority of israelis are also not the sickenly rich zionist supporters and american "jewish" settlers we see on tv programmes in the west, they are actually themselves rather impoversished which is not to compare it to anything like the palestinians' suffering, but it might explain a bit why israelis feel so defensive about whats going on there, and the nationalism...
 
Because they've grown up in an entirely militarlised society, a society where they are basically bred to be in the military, and their whole media and everything says to them that the world "hates" them either for no reason, or because they're jews. Notions which in the west you might think have no meaing any more, but many of these people have originally come from places like moldova, which had jewish communities which were completley devastated by the holocaust and never recovered. The majority of israelis are also not the sickenly rich zionist supporters and american "jewish" settlers we see on tv programmes in the west, they are actually themselves rather impoversished which is not to compare it to anything like the palestinians' suffering, but it might explain a bit why israelis feel so defensive about whats going on there, and the nationalism...
so nothing to do with them feeling they've a right to ersatz israel ot whatever?
 
dylans do you know anything botu the Israeli PR system, ... an argument against electroal reform if ever there was one, which also explains why total nutters are able to such high positions in governemnt ...
 
I don't have the answers and I'm not an Israeli but if I were i would hope that blatant examples of brutality like this can be the catalyst for a movement to end the siege of Gaza.

I really hope I am wrong and there are demonstrations against this. Israelis have done it in the past.

You seem to be painting yourself into a corner here.
It has been pointed out several times that demos against the action HAVE been called & you seem to keep missing that.

I don't think you're trying to paint ALL Israelis as "BADDIES", are you ?
 
On the Cedar Lounge website an announcement of Irish demos against the boarding and massacre has brought a couple of eejits:

http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/20...ck-on-palestine-solidarity-flotilla/#comments

The very first IDF soldier was seriously assaulted as he landed on the one vessel that was boarded – the one containing “peace activists” whom Al-Jazeera filmed singing the usual ‘kill the Jews’ type songs as they set off.

Now, this sounds like bullshit to me, but I'd like to hear your opinion. Specifically, is the claim about what Al-Jazeera filmed correct.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/may/31/israel-troops-gaza-ships
A journalist from Spain's El País newspaper, Ana Carbajosa, says she managed to speak briefly to one of the injured as he was taken from an ambulance on a stretcher in Ashdod, where the flotilla vessels are arriving.

The man, who spoke with an American accent and had a black eye but did not give his name, apparently came from the Sfendoni vessel – adding further weight to evidence that violence had also been used there. "We are not violent. They have used unnecessary brutality," the man said, according to the Spanish translation of his words. ""We are all Palestinians. More freedom is needed."
 
yeh i wish i wasn't at work.but it is double time.

ain't life a fucker? from what one is getting there trying to get from Downing St to the embassy of the Fascist Murdering Scum and it has got quite big, reports coming in of over 2000 people well fuck me thought you could murder 20 people and what we all go quiet? Seems there been fucking over Twitter and Facebook, see Indymedia people are feeding live reports..
 
Probably stuff like they sang on the london demo "from the sea to the river, palestine live for ever, from the river to sea, palestine will be free" - politically naive maybe but hardly "kill the jews" stuff
 
ain't life a fucker? from what one is getting there trying to get from Downing St to the embassy of the Fascist Murdering Scum and it has got quite big, reports coming in of over 2000 people well fuck me thought you could murder 20 people and what we all go quiet? Seems there been fucking over Twitter and Facebook, see Indymedia people are feeding live reports..
yes it is disappointing because i would rather be elsewhere.
 
are you talking about the kishenev pogroms of 1903 & 1905? if yes, these were actioned by nikolai II, not the nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kishinev_pogrom

No I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about the holocaust. Before the holocaust, there were 77 synagogues working here, now there are only 2. The woman i spoke to at the synagogue i went to on saturday said that while there are many jewish people in the city, the majority are non-practicing - there are actually only 3 children who attend religious services on any kind of regular basis.
 
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