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Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

btw, where is israel when jews are attacked, where was israel when jewish families were scavenging for food in rubbish dumps in georgia following the war between russia and georgia. NOWHERE thats right. All they interested in is more jews coming to israel, and thus conditions being so bad for them that they will come. FUCK them. There is a jewish saying something on the lines of "at the end of days there will be rabbis without torah, chasids (kind people) without chesedah(kindness), tzaddiks (righteous people) without tzedekah (charity), jews without judaism"

Seems like we've reached that point now. :mad:
 
Bernie Gunther said:
Well, if the boarding was illegal (and I can't tell for sure if it was) then the activists were presumably within their rights to try to repel the armed boarders, even if it was only ever going to end one way ...
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from what i can tell, they were fired on, with at least one being killed, before being boarded. hard to figure out though from the reports.
 
frogwoman said:
They are not nazis. the nazi one is a cheap and emotional one to make and an easy one to make due to the obvious similarities but they're not nazis.

there is a difference between nazi and fascist though and there are some fairly obvious parallels of israeli ruling-class ideology and fascism.
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Worth repeating.

And the parallel with the Warsaw Ghetto isn't exact, but it is compelling, and depressing given the awareness of the story of the Ghetto that must exist in the Israeli legislature.

It's worth saying that Jewish and Israeli historians have drawn the comparison. (Although not without drawing plenty of flak).
 
Personally Im quite happy describing Israel as a fascist state, even if the "variant" of fascism is slightly different to the ones we're used to, but then franco and pinochet and peron's argentina are all described as fascist despite the fact that the regimes they ruled were all pretty different.


It's also worth saying that before and even for some time after the holocaust, the majority of rabbis and Jewish organisations were not in favour of Israel.

The torah itself says "do not mistreat foreigners living in your land" guess God must be anti-semitic cunt too then.
 
frogwoman said:
Personally Im quite happy describing Israel as a fascist state, even if the "variant" of fascism is slightly different to the ones we're used to, but then franco and pinochet and peron's argentina are all described as fascist despite the fact that the regimes they ruled were all pretty different.
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Facism tends to get used as a catch all name for repressive states of all types.

Whilst I think the ship convoy seems to have been quite a bit more than purely an attempt to get aid to Gaza (in the worst case it may have been a deliberate attempt to provoke this type of reaction), the actions of Israel were far far beyond what was required and will hopefully blow up in their faces.

I've said it before and I'll say it again when it comes to the mentalities of certain "leaders" in that area I do have problems picking sides.
 
:(

we had a discussion about this, frogwoman, remember?

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Of course it is the Israeli state I am talking about not the people.

However, Netanyahu was elected I believe. I didn't see too many mass demonstrations against the Israeli destruction of Gaza. I didn't see too many protests by Israeli's against the expansion of settlements. I don't see too many protests at the siege which is starving an entire people. I don's see too many demonstrations against Israeli's brutality now.

The comparison with the Nazis has ruffled some feathers. Well what else describes the policy of ethnic cleansing of an entire people. The collective punishments, the land seizures, the apartheid citizenship laws, the checkpoints, the walls, the house destructions, the torture, the assassinations, the systematic driving of an entire people off their land?

Nazis.
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http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=10439671&postcount=76
 
Fuchs66 said:
Facism tends to get used as a catch all name for repressive states of all types.

Whilst I think the ship convoy seems to have been quite a bit more than purely an attempt to get aid to Gaza (in the worst case it may have been a deliberate attempt to provoke this type of reaction), the actions of Israel were far far beyond what was required and will hopefully blow up in their faces.

I've said it before and I'll say it again when it comes to the mentalities of certain "leaders" in that area I do have problems picking sides.
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aye, ahmedinejad, the saudis, et al ... talking of other rogue states, i read a book saying that in the 1990s the trade between israel and iran increased by something like 20% despite the fact that the war of words heated up considerably during that time.


Talking of Iran, looky... here goes another justification for them to "crack down" on their jewish population arresting bunch of people without reason as they have done in the past ... and another one for them to have nuclear weapons. :rolleyes:
 
I think, this time, the Israelis have pushed it a bit too far. The international kicking off and wtf? is pretty high.

The fall out for this one seems to be one that will continue to rain down.
 
Fuchs66 said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again when it comes to the mentalities of certain "leaders" in that area I do have problems picking sides.
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No 'choosing side' re the leaders here Fuchs, think you'll find many on here in agreement.
 
Regev
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He really is utter, utter scum.

My union branch has done some great work raising thousands for Palestinian Medical Aid, sending people on the Viva Palestine convoy and is currently twinning with a union branch in the West Bank so hopefully we can do some practical stuff in response to this over the next few days.

I'm wrapped up with the flu but hope Downing Street goes well.

And before treelover has a hissy fit most of the branch work is around workplace issues, linking with tenants and community groups around trying to stop cuts and indeed doing a variety of international work, including linking up with trade unions in South Africa and South America.
 
Fuck I hate israelis. Scum. Arrogant Nazi scum.
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While I don't think Israel should exist, as to do so it has to be an apartheid state and deny the right of return for Palestinians, it's zionists who are scum, not Israeli's, some of who (although not nearly enough), oppose zionism.
 
I think that even if Mark Regev were to personally set fire to a bag full of Palestinian babies on national television, idiots like Sass would still be there to defend him.
 
One_Stop_Shop said:
And before treelover has a hissy fit most of the branch work is around workplace issues, linking with tenants and community groups around trying to stop cuts and indeed doing a variety of international work, including linking up with trade unions in South Africa and South America.
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Same with PCS, we have links with a Palestinian union regarding the Wisconsin Plan.

Also look here
 
Fuchs66 said:
Facism tends to get used as a catch all name for repressive states of all types. <snip>
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There is a direct line of descent between Netanyahu's politics, via Likud and a strand of pre-war Zionism that Mussolini himself was happy to label as 'fascist'

It's IMO pretty much the equivalent of the BNP's direct line of descent from the British Union of Fascists via the National Front and John Tyndall.

Except they don't run a country.
 
frogwoman said:
I think that even if Mark Regev were to personally set fire to a bag full of Palestinian babies on national television, idiots like Sass would still be there to defend him.
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What always suprises me is that the most vocal defenders of Israeli state actions are totally unconnected to it by blood or birth etc. Not singling Sass out (he might have connections for all I know) but the repeated r/w vocalists who really have no business defending or endorsing state actions then do.

What have they to gain, where is the vested interest. Very strange.
 
Also got a friend on one of the boats- no news yet, but Twitter reports some of the people from the boats are being taken to israeli prisons
 
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