Israel in coordinated missile attacks on Gaza
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It also means that another source of independent information has been removed from observing IDF and IAF action in Gaza. Leibovich must be frigging herself with delight.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
A question to those supporting Israel's killing.....How many more Palestinians have to die before you withdraw your support for the blood-letting?
a) All of them if necessary as Israel is in the right.
b) Another number (please specify)
c) It must stop now
It might seem a tad flippant, but actually it's not. If you support Israel then surely you either have some upper figure in mind as to what is unacceptable in terms of carrying on the violence; or as many supporters originally stated, Israel is right to do what they do, so ergo no number is too many in order to 'stop the rocket attacks'.
So, any supporters of Israel brave enough to face up to the question?
a) All of them if necessary as Israel is in the right.
b) Another number (please specify)
c) It must stop now
It might seem a tad flippant, but actually it's not. If you support Israel then surely you either have some upper figure in mind as to what is unacceptable in terms of carrying on the violence; or as many supporters originally stated, Israel is right to do what they do, so ergo no number is too many in order to 'stop the rocket attacks'.
So, any supporters of Israel brave enough to face up to the question?
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
There is a reasoned argument that targetting rocket launch capabilities is justified. That's about it. Its not even too apologist to allow for a small degree of civilian casualities.
These attacks are not about stopping the rockets though. It has turned into a racist genocide under cover of a lie.
Its a shame that Hamas are in power in Gaza - we shouldnt lose sight of the fact that they are violent extremists. If they could genocide the Israelis they certainly would.
but to answer your question, I think many of Israels supporters dont have an upper number or at least it is very high. That includes the tacit support of many western politicians. It is fundementally racist of course but I dont think anyone can think of a solution to all this.
I cant understand why the arab nations dont kick off a lot more, I know its a can of worms but I do sympathise with those who say they have betrayed the palestinians.
Lets see what gets said at the UN General Assembly and lets us hope and pray for immediate peace.
I suspect Israel are riding their luck till Obama gets in. Then they'll calm down and he can look like the Messiah. The only real losers will be the Palestinians and they are mere untermenchen to those in power.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
that would be the one msiot arab nations derided as a pathetically weak compromise, i'd guess
SPION!!!!! NO :O:O:O:O:O:O jaysus mate you are hard work!!
Spion
I hear ya
Well, you need to be more clear. I'm not a mind reader
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How can a demand be binding?
fuck me after all i say you still would think i am against the BBC highlighting the israeli refusal to let journalists into gaza? come on ..
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
well, your point was rather obscure. to the extent of being undecipherable
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Dunno, one imagines it will be "you (Israel) will stop your attacks" though whether the US would go as far as actually enforcing it is perhaps another question.
belboid said:
Al-Jazeera describes it as "a new British resolution", so you dont know. As it is, I think even the yanks would recognize the clear potential for this to go extremely wrong (ie far more wrong than it currently is), not only in Gaza but also for the potential to destabilize its regimes in the region.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Not really surprising, they have done this in the West Bank as well.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
Who is Dennis Kucinich ?
teqniq
DisMembered
I didn't know who he is until now, I'm just pleased he spoke out.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Spion
I hear ya
If this is true, it's the type of thing the SS used to get up to on the eastern front in WW2 
"eyewitnesses have told the UN that about 30 Palestinians died earlier this week as Israeli forces shelled a house into which Israeli soldiers had previously moved about 100 people, half of them children."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7819371.stm
"eyewitnesses have told the UN that about 30 Palestinians died earlier this week as Israeli forces shelled a house into which Israeli soldiers had previously moved about 100 people, half of them children."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7819371.stm
Spion
I hear ya
Gaza 'human shields' criticised
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7818122.stm
'Israeli troops had forced Palestinian civilians to stay in their homes after taking them over as sniper positions or bases, it said quoting sources in Gaza.'
'Amnesty also criticised Israeli forces for bombing civilian homes after they had been used to launch militant attacks when the attackers had probably fled.
"The army is well aware gunmen usually leave the area after having fired and any reprisal attack against these homes will in most cases cause harm to civilians - not gunmen," said Mr Smart, director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme.'
'In several well-documented cases in the past, Israeli troops have forced Palestinian civilians, at gunpoint, to go before them into buildings from which they feared attack.'
Israeli judges banned the practice in 2005, but Amnesty says troops "frequently" imprison Palestinian families in homes used as military observation and firing positions.'
'Hamas fighters also put civilians in danger by firing from homes, it added.'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7818122.stm
'Israeli troops had forced Palestinian civilians to stay in their homes after taking them over as sniper positions or bases, it said quoting sources in Gaza.'
'Amnesty also criticised Israeli forces for bombing civilian homes after they had been used to launch militant attacks when the attackers had probably fled.
"The army is well aware gunmen usually leave the area after having fired and any reprisal attack against these homes will in most cases cause harm to civilians - not gunmen," said Mr Smart, director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme.'
'In several well-documented cases in the past, Israeli troops have forced Palestinian civilians, at gunpoint, to go before them into buildings from which they feared attack.'
Israeli judges banned the practice in 2005, but Amnesty says troops "frequently" imprison Palestinian families in homes used as military observation and firing positions.'
'Hamas fighters also put civilians in danger by firing from homes, it added.'
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
Dunno if anyone else posted this article up,pretty good account of the whole situtation imo.
Dunno if anyone else posted this article up,pretty good account of the whole situtation imo.
Spion
I hear ya
By historian Avi Shlaim
Worth quoting for the Israel-right-or-wrong numbskulls here:
"I write as someone who served loyally in the Israeli army in the mid-1960s and who has never questioned the legitimacy of the state of Israel within its pre-1967 borders. What I utterly reject is the Zionist colonial project beyond the Green Line. The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the aftermath of the June 1967 war had very little to do with security and everything to do with territorial expansionism. The aim was to establish Greater Israel through permanent political, economic and military control over the Palestinian territories. And the result has been one of the most prolonged and brutal military occupations of modern times."
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Iron-Wall-I...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231491511&sr=1-1
Well worth getting,gives a good account of the background of the Arab/Isreali conflict.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
They're even lying to cover up their lies!
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