Israel in coordinated missile attacks on Gaza

[durruti02]

Ah, so you're backtraking now. Now you admit it was Israel that initiated this and the Gazan resistance (because it's not just Hamas that fires rockets) responded.

If someone is attacked by a racist I will not condemn their response, I will not try and paint them as the initiator of the escalation like you did.

spion, what do you think, what function does firing rockets serve for hamas or why do you think they fire them? do you thinkit is simply an innocent nieve resistance and so do you totally deny they use 'escalation' ( in blooms words) for THEIR political gain

( and hamas is NOT just resistance is it .. it is a specific brand .. part of the Muslim Brotherhood .. it is NOT the first Intifada of kids with slingshots )

( and again you are disengenusous when you talk of islamic jihad and al aqsa brigade or whoever .. hamas CONTROLS gaza .. if other people are taking action they have a say in it )

 

[Sasaferrato]

Nationalist cock. There are also those who stand up for people, for refugees against racist violence

If you don't like the way things are done in Britain, leave.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So, how do you explain the many Jews, some of which are posting on here, that hate the Zionists for what they are currently doing?

Well, we're obviously "self-hating Jews", unlike Sas, who's a right-wing Christian who's also a Jew, and is therefore "self-loving", being as he only hates anyone whose views aren't in accordance with his own.

The fact that some of use were defending Jews, Jewishness and even Israel back decades before Sas had a crisis of conscience about his Jewish heritage is quite rightly by the by.

 

[Sasaferrato]

IB,

They were elected in free and fair elections by the people of Palestine, largely because Fatah was as corrupt as it was ineffective at bringing about an improvement in living conditions.

We in the West, along with Israel, reacted to this democratic mandate by cutting off all funding to the PA, and encouraging (to the point of funding and arming) the losing party in those elections to fight (and lose, as far as Gaza is concerned) a civil war against Hamas. When they did agree to a ceasefire and made efforts to maintain it Israel (with the acquiesence of the West) blockaded, then raided, the Gaza Strip in fairly evident breaches of the ceasefire.

If anyone can be said to have provoked or escalated this conflict, Hamas is probably the least guilty.

Dear Lord!

The EU classifies Hamas as being a terrorist organisation.

 

[claphamboy]

If you don't like the way things are done in Britain, leave.

But you don’t currently like how things are done in Britain.

 

[hipipol]

If you don't like the way things are done in Britain, leave.

Well you obviously have a dislike for a large number of people on here, who are 90 odd % British, so what are you waiting for?

 

[Sasaferrato]

Well, we're obviously "self-hating Jews", unlike Sas, who's a right-wing Christian who's also a Jew, and is therefore "self-loving", being as he only hates anyone whose views aren't in accordance with his own.

The fact that some of use were defending Jews, Jewishness and even Israel back decades before Sas had a crisis of conscience about his Jewish heritage is quite rightly by the by.

I don't ' hate ' anyone, nor do I take any pleasure from the loss of life on either side.

As to defense of the Jews, I've been doing it for over forty years.

 

[claphamboy]

Dear Lord!

The EU classifies Hamas as being a terrorist organisation.

And the UK classed the IRA as a terrorist organisation, but look how things changed.

So, your point is?

 

[hipipol]

Dear Lord!

The EU classifies Hamas as being a terrorist organisation.

Yes but so were the ANC with their Terrorist in Chief, Nelson Mandela

Govts aint awlays right you know Sassy Babes

 

[Sasaferrato]

Well you obviously have a dislike for a large number of people on here, who are 90 odd % British, so what are you waiting for?

There is a considerable difference between those who post here and the populace at large.

This is about the last bastion of the Neanderthal hard left.

 

[belboid]

why can you not accept 'fascism' and racism in the muslim community yet you are happy to identify it in the jewish community?

Where have i identified fascism in the jewish community? Or denied racism within the muslim community? Never, you pathetic, lying, liberal shit.

 

[hipipol]

I don't ' hate ' anyone, nor do I take any pleasure from the loss of life on either side.

As to defense of the Jews, I've been doing it for over forty years.

The best form of defence is Attack!!!!
Do you have your own Merkava?
Is it nice to drive?

 

[Sasaferrato]

And the UK classed the IRA as a terrorist organisation, but look how things changed.

So, your point is?

The IRA is still a terrorist organisation. What changed was the gutless Blair government. ( That said, it was Major who opened dialogue, for that alone he deserved to lose the general election. )

The upshot is that there are killers walking free due to the Good Friday agreement, and killers in government in NI. Nauseating doesn't cover it.

 

[belboid]

yes afterwards that is true .. bellboy clearly does not understand that .. will he admit it .. lets see

oh you disingenuous tosser. When YOU claimed to have opposed both the NF and the 'racist mosque' Hamza was OUTSIDE the mosque, he'd been kicked out. So your post if bullshit.

 

[TAE]

the Israeli harpy PR on al-Jazeera is now claiming that not only was there a mortar fired from the building, but the school was also probably booby trapped, which caused the damage (and not the one shell she says they fired at the building). She says this means Hamas are really bad.

Israel's claims would be bordering on the comical if they were not so criminal. I just hope that many many ordinary citizens will start seeing the lies for what they are.

 

[hipipol]

There is a considerable difference between those who post here and the populace at large.

This is about the last bastion of the Neanderthal hard left.

I am no more a member of "hard left" than I am a member of the SNP, Tories or even a radical tiddly wink club.
Defending the murder of innocents as you do I supect you really ought to concider whether you have a clue what the opinion of the majority is as I doubt there are many who think like you

 

[ViolentPanda]

so condemn them, and their religious fundamentalism and racism now .. and lets see VP and the others etc do the same .. it would clear the waters considerably

Who are you to make demands of me?
Anyone who knows me knows that I am against fundamentalism (religious or political), racism and fascism, whoever the proponents are. make of that what you will, pinhead.

They also know that I operate on facts, not "facts" gleaned from a quick google, but facts found by cross-referencing and cross-checking sources. Can you say the same?

 

[hipipol]

The IRA is still a terrorist organisation. What changed was the gutless Blair government. ( That said, it was Major who opened dialogue, for that alone he deserved to lose the general election. )

The upshot is that there are killers walking free due to the Good Friday agreement, and killers in government in NI. Nauseating doesn't cover it.

Dont get all hot an bothered Sass, yer sash will slip and the Apprentice boys wont like that

 

[belboid]

Did I say that?

I support Palestinians resisting the occupation in Gaza, it doesn't follow that I support Hamas as an organisation, which is a political party that has used the suffering of the Palestinians in order to further it's own aims.

Yes, you di say that. You said sending rockets into israel, in response to many many israeli attacks, was an escalation and wrong. And those rockets WEREN'T definitely the work of Hamass, they were probably the work of ordinary palestinians who have just had enough. Your pseudo-support for the palestinians is entirely superficial, and based upon them fighting back only in ways YOU approve of. Shameful.

 

[agricola]

Dear Lord!

The EU classifies Hamas as being a terrorist organisation.

And yet we here in the UK do not (we only proscribe their military wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassem Brigades). What was that comment about "if you dont like it in the UK, leave" again?

 

[Aldebaran]

Would it not be an interesting question to ask those who support israel what they would do if they were Palestinian.
I think it would.
So I ask it.

(Probably is too difficult a question... but one can always try.)

salaam.

 

[nino_savatte]

The IRA is still a terrorist organisation. What changed was the gutless Blair government. ( That said, it was Major who opened dialogue, for that alone he deserved to lose the general election. )

The upshot is that there are killers walking free due to the Good Friday agreement, and killers in government in NI. Nauseating doesn't cover it.

So what was the alternative to talking to SF/IRA? Continue as usual: internment and arrests without trial? An extension of the H Blocks?

What of the terrorists on the Loyalist side? Heroes? The rightful rulers of the truncated province?

 

[claphamboy]

The IRA is still a terrorist organisation. What changed was the gutless Blair government. ( That said, it was Major who opened dialogue, for that alone he deserved to lose the general election. )

The upshot is that there are killers walking free due to the Good Friday agreement, and killers in government in NI. Nauseating doesn't cover it.

And an end to the bombing both on the mainland and in the North of Ireland, what people call peace, nauseating isn't it?

 

[In Bloom]

Yes, you di say that. You said sending rockets into israel, in response to many many israeli attacks, was an escalation and wrong.

No, I said it was an escalation, I didn't say that it was either right or wrong. It's not my fault if facts upset you.

And those rockets WEREN'T definitely the work of Hamass, they were probably the work of ordinary palestinians who have just had enough.

And oppressed people lashing out against random civillians out of frustration is something socialists should be supporting, is it?

The fact of the matter is that whoever is responsible for the rocket attacks, they cannot defeat Israel militarily, it's suicide for them to even try.

Your pseudo-support for the palestinians is entirely superficial, and based upon them fighting back only in ways YOU approve of. Shameful.

I only approve of things I approve of, what a horrible bastard I really am

 

[agricola]

So what was the alternative to talking to SF/IRA? Continue as usual: internment and arrests without trial? An extension of the H Blocks?

What of the terrorists on the Loyalist side? Heroes? The rightful rulers of the truncated province?

Why are you even responding? His bowler hat and sash are obviously cutting off all the blood supply to his brain.

 

[nino_savatte]

Why are you even responding? His bowler hat and sash are obviously cutting off all the blood supply to his brain.

Innit?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Dear Lord!

The EU classifies Hamas as being a terrorist organisation.

They also, albeit grudgingly, accept that they're the legitimately elected government of the Gaza strip.

 

[In Bloom]

By the way, I'm quite curious as to what the left-wing supporters of Hamas think of this.

 

[TAE]

Would it make any difference if Hamas did what the IDF does and simply claimed to be avoiding civilians as much as possible?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't ' hate ' anyone...

Not even those you repeatedly refer to as "scum"?

nor do I take any pleasure from the loss of life on either side.

I haven't claimed that you do.

As to defense of the Jews, I've been doing it for over forty years.

Good for you.
Odd how you're willing to attack those Jews that don't agree with you by insinuating that they're fascists though, isn't it?