apologies .. i will try to be clearer .. but maybe then, you could also not dimiss my opinion / argument, so easily
p.s. you still have not told me how i lied or was so wrong concerning the west bank, after i said 20% of it was run by the PA
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p.s. you still have not told me how i lied or was so wrong concerning the west bank, after i said 20% of it was run by the PA
it may seem like words but it matters .. yes israel never aloowed free movement .. but it did hand over control .. this is surely indisputable and i do not understand why you argue it
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/15/world/fg-gaza15
Spion
I hear ya
Are you familiar with the jewish ghettoes of WW2. Do you know they had their own administration and police? Would you say the Jews in those situations had control?
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
Any trajectory which uses transfer to remove Palestinians from their land is moving towards genocide. These pro-transfer steps are towards genocide.
Transfer is not a solution to end Israel's conflict with Palestinians, but it has been seriously suggested. Transfer is ethnic cleansing.
Slow destruction of Palestinian economy is ethnic cleansing. If people cannot make a living, they will become forced to leave.
If Palestinians do not leave quickly enough, or the slow trickle from the West Bank (and Gaza Strip, if they were allowed to leave, which they are not since they are under complete seige these last two years and still living under occupation), then there has always been the worry that mass killings will take place at the hand of the IDF/IAF and force more Palestinians to try to leave WB and Gaza (except no-one can leave Gaza who is Palestinian).
International law defines genocide as any acts which intend "to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group."
One of the five types of acts is "deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part." This describes the Israeli actions against Palestinian populace.
Spion
I hear ya
You provided no source, so it's impossible to know what you mean by control.
You probably mean civil control. That is, the PA collects the bins etc.
98% of the WB is under Israeli military control, and that includes all borders
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
so why is israel 'invading' gaza?
btw yes i did and i think the ghettos have similarities with to gaza, though i was not aware that germans had no access (.. is this the case ..)
and the jewish police who ran them were collaborators not at all like hamas .. are you suggesting the west bank PA/ PLO are like the jewish police in warsaw?
You said "the West Bank" was "handed over".
Now you concede that:
- only Area A (which you say is 20% - I think it's less) is nominally controlled by the PA;
- there is no freedom of movement for Palestinians between the fragments of Area A;
- there is no freedom of movement for Palestinians between anywhere in the West Bank and Israel;
but this started in the twenties / thirties .. my point is the trajectory has not got any worse since then hence it is not pointing at genocide, indeed the actions over gaza ( until recently) and west bank ( though small ) illustrate differrently
Spion
I hear ya
The Wehrmaxht had access when they wanted it.
The Israelis are invading precisely because they don't have a compliant collaborator regime in Gaza. That's what they're trying to achieve
random i never said the west bank was handed over .. i ALWAYS said only 20% was ...
.. actually i am wrong
i''ve just checked .. i DID write that .. though that was not what was in my head, which was the 20% being handed back, which i corrected a few posts later .. the point was about trajectory again i have always accepted it is mainly bullshit but does not express to me a country intent on extermination
yes to an extent, but are you are then saying PA/PLO are the same as the jewish police in warsaw who will hand over their people to the extermination camps?
eta got to go now things to do
They do fuck off to barracks half an hour before the Israel armed forces drive into town to seize or kill people...
Thank you for this intellectually founded contribution to this discussion.
A post of the same intellectual order of the previous one.
I'm now hurting my brain to find out why I see so many things wrong with all of it. You expose it all so obvious and clear: religion is the fault of everything any human does wrong. Politics combined are not coming even near let alone be the dominant factors.
Thanks for the educative course. I must go back to school now. *Sigh*
salaam.
There is a little fault in your discours: Iran has no bomb and if Iran wanted Hamas would be much more violent and much more armed than they are now.
In fact, if anything, Israel can be grateful that Iran doesn't want them to. Because Israel would not be so triumphant murdering hundreds right now (or ever) without having to fear much retribution and/or resistance.
Just saying...
salaam.
In reality, they are destroying methodically the very fabric of tribal society in Palestine for as long as they are at it. Formerly, you could know where someone was born only by him mentioning his name. Not much left of that now.People are de-rooted from their roots and with that from their social and cultural ties. It is the silent, sneaky version of "divide and conquer" at work throughout the whole of Palestinian society and since decades.
This is not about Hamas but much more so about the USA and their "good friends" and their targeting of Iran in general. They tried to get Iran involved the last time in Lebanon and now they try the same.
shalom.
Gaza protest continue everyday then big one on 10th jan
from stwc
• Daily protests 5 - 9 January, 5.30pm-7.00pm
Israeli Embassy, High St, Kensington, London
• National Demonstration: Saturday 10 January
March from Hyde Park to Israeli Embassy
Assemble 12:30 at Hyde Park
Stop Israel's crime against humanity
Join the national demonstration: Stop the War is asking all its local groups outside of London to book coaches or arrange other transport to help make this the biggest demonstration yet seen in this country in the cause of Palestinian freedom. Email details to office@stopwar.org.uk
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500 dead. Thousands injured. United States blocks UN call for carnage to stop.
This ground attack is intended to turn Gaza into Israeli killing fields. Within hours of troops entering Gaza, hospitals reported that 23 people had been killed and that twenty of them were civilians.
Demonstrations across the world call for an immediate stop to the carnage. Every country in the world bar one wants the killing and destruction to stop now. But just as it did in the Lebanon War in 2006, The United States has given the green light to Israel to intensify its barbarism.
The US is blocking all UN diplomacy for an immediate ceasefire with the tacit compliance of the British government, which calls for an immediate ceasefire while at the same time endorsing America's refusal to allow any discussion in the United Nations to achieve this end.
When Israel broke the six month ceasefire on November 4, it was the trigger for this long planned invasion, deliberately timed for the last few weeks of George Bush's presidency and a few weeks before Israeli elections, in which all the leading politicians are competing as to how many Palestinians they can kill.
Stop the War, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, British Muslim Initiative, Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament are organising continual protests in the next week, culminating in a national demonstration marching to the Israeli Embassy in London on Saturday 10 January.
We urge all of our supporters to do all keep informed about our activities via out website and by subscribing to our regular newsletters. Everyone who is shocked and outraged by Israel's barbarity, and the prospect of hundreds more Palestinian civilians being killed by the fourth most powerful military in the world, should commit themselves to helping mobilise for the protests in the coming week and for making the national demonstration on Saturday 10 January the biggest yet seen in this country for the freedom of Palestine.
from stwc
• Daily protests 5 - 9 January, 5.30pm-7.00pm
Israeli Embassy, High St, Kensington, London
• National Demonstration: Saturday 10 January
March from Hyde Park to Israeli Embassy
Assemble 12:30 at Hyde Park
Stop Israel's crime against humanity
Join the national demonstration: Stop the War is asking all its local groups outside of London to book coaches or arrange other transport to help make this the biggest demonstration yet seen in this country in the cause of Palestinian freedom. Email details to office@stopwar.org.uk
=====================
500 dead. Thousands injured. United States blocks UN call for carnage to stop.
This ground attack is intended to turn Gaza into Israeli killing fields. Within hours of troops entering Gaza, hospitals reported that 23 people had been killed and that twenty of them were civilians.
Demonstrations across the world call for an immediate stop to the carnage. Every country in the world bar one wants the killing and destruction to stop now. But just as it did in the Lebanon War in 2006, The United States has given the green light to Israel to intensify its barbarism.
The US is blocking all UN diplomacy for an immediate ceasefire with the tacit compliance of the British government, which calls for an immediate ceasefire while at the same time endorsing America's refusal to allow any discussion in the United Nations to achieve this end.
When Israel broke the six month ceasefire on November 4, it was the trigger for this long planned invasion, deliberately timed for the last few weeks of George Bush's presidency and a few weeks before Israeli elections, in which all the leading politicians are competing as to how many Palestinians they can kill.
Stop the War, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, British Muslim Initiative, Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament are organising continual protests in the next week, culminating in a national demonstration marching to the Israeli Embassy in London on Saturday 10 January.
We urge all of our supporters to do all keep informed about our activities via out website and by subscribing to our regular newsletters. Everyone who is shocked and outraged by Israel's barbarity, and the prospect of hundreds more Palestinian civilians being killed by the fourth most powerful military in the world, should commit themselves to helping mobilise for the protests in the coming week and for making the national demonstration on Saturday 10 January the biggest yet seen in this country for the freedom of Palestine.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
The post above does not belong in this thread on attacks in Gaza. It belongs to the demo announcement forum. Please remove and try to stick to the topic!
don't be daft .. it is response to the attacks so is entirely relevent
denniseagle
ding dong the witch is dead
nah just those who cannot see how stupid their posts are .
Looks like you match the criteria as well.............
hipipol
Peckham Wry
What a pathetic statement.
To those about to dem.
I agree.
To those about do dem.
Keep it happy people - No violence.
Get the right message over to the people. Help the poor sods in Gaza.
I can't be with you but I'm there in spirit.
If there is a local dem here I'll be with them.
I agree.
To those about do dem.
Keep it happy people - No violence.
Get the right message over to the people. Help the poor sods in Gaza.
I can't be with you but I'm there in spirit.
If there is a local dem here I'll be with them.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
None of this matters to the people reading this here. It's all the same to them. 10 deaths = carpet bombing. 20 = ethnic cleansing.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
I wonder if the Hamas missile attacks have tailed off since the invasion?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I wonder how many more Gazan children have been murdered by the IDF...
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Don't talk wet.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Er, no, there is a forum for that sort of post. Are you trying to scupper any discussion on here? Because that's the way it looks to me.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
You have the luck to live in a country that has never beem bombed JC
Were I live there are STILL gaps in the houses where Lutwaffe bombs killed people
I had Christmas dinner (this Christams and the last 3) with a 92 year old lady who has lived there all her life. To her that night 1942 is still vivid, the death of her Auntie and her best friend still a wound that aches
The life of few peole on the other side of the planet may not bother you much but to glibly pass it off as nothing only highlights that you are safe and cannot understand what it could be like
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