In the pub tonight most people said they favoured Nicola Sturgeon. What a pity this is S E UK..

[Cid]

The next lot of headless-chickening. I keep thinking this can't get any more ridiculous

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Worst crisis since abdication... Abdication... 1936. What were the Mail up to in the mid 1930s I wonder?

etc

 

[redsquirrel]

As weepiper mentioned the terriblegraph as well... everyone is shitting themselves apart from the Scottish electorate.

Are they? Would have thought that a lot of centre-left people, like my mum and brother, would be pretty happy to have a Labour minority gov backed by the SNP/PC/Greens. And look at Sturgeons approval ratings, there are plenty of people in England who like her.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

This is hilarious. The Mail has its knickers in a twist. I am enjoying the political panic although it is groundless.

 

[Sue]

The next lot of headless-chickening. I keep thinking this can't get any more ridiculous

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Just to say who the fuck cares? I'm pretty sure my working class, immigrant relations gave as much of a fuck about the royal family as I do.

 

[butchersapron]

As weepiper mentioned the terriblegraph as well... everyone is shitting themselves apart from the Scottish electorate.

Wow, you said terriblegraph.

 

[Celyn]

I have just ĺ looked up Mary Barbour a powerful precursor to Nicola Sturgeon. The Scots Socialists don't mess around.

Alistair Hulett

 

[Celyn]

The next lot of headless-chickening. I keep thinking this can't get any more ridiculous
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Oh ye gods! That is so completely deranged and crazy. Thank you for posting this.

Wow. And how very strange, you know, after all that love-bombing stuff and we really want Scotland to stay ... so it's a case of "stay, but don't vote for anything that establishment might not like".

Oh well.

 

[Nylock]

twas ever thus.

 

[ViolentPanda]

This is hilarious. The Mail has its knickers in a twist. I am enjoying the political panic although it is groundless.

Standard Mail tactic: fling shite and then keep flinging. At least some of their readership will then retail the shit as truth.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

Particularly liking this line from the telegraph piece

To say, as some Scots do, that their country has had to live for years with governments that they did not like and had not voted for, is to miss the point. Scottish voters were always free to vote Labour or Conservative:

How good/not good are the SNP? Can't say that I've paid that much attention to Scots politics until the yes/no thing. Sturgeon seems a pretty likeable politician; saying the right things and saying them convincingly. Beyond that, though?

Also, what do people make of Eds statement that he will not do any deals with them after the election? Surely he might have to? But can he, after he's so emphatically ruled out the possibility?

 

[danny la rouge]

Particularly liking this line from the telegraph piece



How good/not good are the SNP? Can't say that I've paid that much attention to Scots politics until the yes/no thing. Sturgeon seems a pretty likeable politician; saying the right things and saying them convincingly. Beyond that, though?

Centre left social democratic party, slightly to the left of Labour. Introduced free prescriptions, scrapped bridge tolls, free higher education. But also have some neoliberal tendencies, notably decrying Labour's PPP (PFI variant) but replacing it with the virtually identical Scottish Futures Trusts. Under Salmond, cosied up to business and had serious centralising tendencies. In Holyrood, better than Labour, but that isn't a high benchmark. Popular and populist.

Not my cup of tea.

But I've said all this already. Read the thread!

 

[brogdale]

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Some choice words in response to the abdication comment....

As Alex Salmond said, her warning about a Labour/SNP government provoking the most serious constitutional crisis since the abdication has made her a laughing stock in Scotland. Nicola Sturgeon went even further, saying May had made herself look “completely and utterly stupid”. Sturgeon explained:

People will look at these silly comments and I was going to say they would treat them with contempt - that actually attaches too much seriousness to them. People will just laugh at her.

More worryingly for May, even Ruth Davidson, the Conservative leader in Scotland, has failed to back her up. On the Sunday Politics Davidson described the claim as “hyperbolic”.

 

[DotCommunist]

ah the solidarity of vermin, always a wonderful sight

 

[Celyn]

I like the whole "worst crisis since the abdication" thing. This is about people voting, not about which unelected royal bum gets to sit on a throne.

 

[Dogsauce]

I wonder if people that work for these papers secretly hate Cameron or the tories and are overdoing it on purpose to make them look foolish? I'm waiting for the edition where they photoshop Sturgeon brevilling a kitten.

 

[Celyn]

I wonder if people that work for these papers secretly hate Cameron or the tories and are overdoing it on purpose to make them look foolish? I'm waiting for the edition where they photoshop Sturgeon brevilling a kitten.

Not Breville toastie maker thing - it would have to be some dead posh thingie, for best effect, so that there's Nicola Sturgeon cooking a kitten with a little machine that costs £100!!! Shock. Horror. Evil Sturgeon will soon be doing this to a kitten near you!!!

Edited to add: just noticed that your name is Dogsauce and that you might, of course, have your own views about the killing and eating of domestic animals.

 

[toblerone3]

I wonder if people that work for these papers secretly hate Cameron or the tories and are overdoing it on purpose to make them look foolish? I'm waiting for the edition where they photoshop Sturgeon brevilling a kitten.

Topsy turvey... It is although a fish ate a cat.

 

[dishevelled]

I like this thread. I assume no boats will be capsized.

 

[Celyn]

And the hare chased the hound, and the cheese ate the mouse.

 

[Celyn]

I like this thread. I assume no boats will be capsized.

We can live in hope, I suppose. Just don't go sailing anywhere near an incompetent submarine crew.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/submarine-crew-blamed-for-sinking-of-antares-1532324.html

 

[brogdale]

Heard Sturgeon's R4 'Today' interview with Naughtie this morning...she did not put a foot wrong; the very definition of (politically) assured.

The long stated strategy of 'locking out' the tories was again articulated. Publicly Sturgeon is telling Miliband not to worry about the QS/VoC...they'll pass it. But thereafter will be where the nationalists will seek to employ leverage on a case by case basis.

 

[brogdale]

During that R4 interview Naughtie did try to trip her up with a couple of questions about 'off-piste' comments from SNP candidates. I particularly liked the quote from Neil Hay's FB rantings...he described Westminster MPs as “...paedophiles, tax- dodgers, perjurers and thieves.”



Very Cher.

e2a:

• Asked about his comments, she said:

I have said clearly that I condemn remarks like that and I will continue to do so ... The voters will pass their verdict on him. I lead by example in terms of the tone I expect to be set.

ie. elect him as a Westminster MP!

 

[Diamond]

I like Sturgeon but it is pretty odd that she is not standing and yet has such a prominent role in this general election.

Is there precedent for that?

 

[brogdale]

I like Sturgeon but it is pretty odd that she is not standing and yet has such a prominent role in this general election.

Is there precedent for that?

Not so odd for the party leader to..er..lead. I believe Salmond did same.

 

[andysays]

Heard Sturgeon's R4 'Today' interview with Naughtie this morning...she did not put a foot wrong; the very definition of (politically) assured.

The long stated strategy of 'locking out' the tories was again articulated. Publicly Sturgeon is telling Miliband not to worry about the QS/VoC...they'll pass it. But thereafter will be where the nationalists will seek to employ leverage on a case by case basis.

The potential problem with this is that they need to kick, not just lock them out, in other words they ignore that Cameron is the incumbant, with all the advantages that brings, and they actually need to force him to resign.

A declared intention to form a coalition between Lab and SNP, even if it didn't quite achieve an absolute majority, would be enough to do this, but I'm not sure that a promise not to vote down a Labour QS would be, at least Cameron etc will be able to present it this way.

 

[butchersapron]

I like Sturgeon but it is pretty odd that she is not standing and yet has such a prominent role in this general election.

Is there precedent for that?

What an odd post. Didn't notice you making it about any of the newspaper proprietors.

 

[brogdale]

The potential problem with this is that they need to kick, not just lock them out, in other words they ignore that Cameron is the incumbant, with all the advantages that brings, and they actually need to force him to resign.

A declared intention to form a coalition between Lab and SNP, even if it didn't quite achieve an absolute majority, would be enough to do this, but I'm not sure that a promise not to vote down a Labour QS would be, at least Cameron etc will be able to present it this way.

That is right, but if the nationalists bag around 50 seats, Miliband is only going to need just over 270 for their combined weight to vote down any vermin QS.

 

[Diamond]

What an odd post. Didn't notice you making it about an of the newspaper proprietors.

Wut?

 

[andysays]

That is right, but if the nationalists bag around 50 seats, Miliband is only going to need just over 270 for their combined weight to vote down any vermin QS.

So let's imagine that happens.

Cameron, as the incumbant, gets first chance to forn a govt, but his QS gets voted down.

If Miliband only has, say, 270 MPs, and no one has agreed to join him in a formal coalition, will he necessarily get invited to form a govt/present his own QS?

I don't understand the constitutional provisions well enough to express an opinion, but I reckon there is enough uncertainty for the Tories and their friends in the media etc to make an argument that with only 270 MPs, he doesn't provide a clear alternative govt and shouldn't be given the chance to try to form one.

Is there any historical precident for this?

 

[butchersapron]

Wut?

Have ye not hear the words of Col. Rainsborough late of putney?