It doesn't, its an aside. A slightly jokey post made about an earlier post on the thread, the joke has nothing to do with the nature of the thread. It is a Viz character.
Basically you've got the wrong end of the stick.
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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?
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It doesn't, its an aside. A slightly jokey post made about an earlier post on the thread, the joke has nothing to do with the nature of the thread. It is a Viz character.
Basically you've got the wrong end of the stick.
happie chappie
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mmm - in a further question from Kevin Brennan about security service files she seems to have given herself a get-out clause regarding access to them.
She's just given another rather evasive answer to a similar question regarding special branch files.
She's just given another rather evasive answer to a similar question regarding special branch files.
teqniq
DisMembered
I was being sarcastic. I should have said 'bullshit' instead of 'bit'.
Don't know if this has been posted before - but worth signing if you back Tom Watson's campaign.
https://www.change.org/petitions/da...iry-into-allegations-of-organised-child-abuse
https://www.change.org/petitions/da...iry-into-allegations-of-organised-child-abuse
Public opinion is going to push this inquest much further than the elites would like.
Tom Watson just spoken on his petition.
https://www.change.org/petitions/da...iry-into-allegations-of-organised-child-abuse
Firstly, a very big thank you. Without your support we would never have forced the Home Secretary to make an announcement in the House of Commons at 3.30pm today.
Early press reports say she will announce an inquiry into allegations of organised child abuse.
The devil will be in the detail.
Having talked to a number of survivors and retired child protection specialists I know one thing: if this new inquiry is not given the power to obtain all documents it wants to see, then it won't get anywhere.
It has already been revealed that Special Branch suppressed police reports into allegations of child abuse by the late MP Cyril Smith. If they held a file on Smith, then the inquiry team will want to know if they held files on any other individual. That's why the power to demand files is vital.
So we've made great progress in 24 hours but we have a little further to go before we can claim victory.
I'll let you know my view later this afternoon.
In the meantime - if you can get us past the 75,000 supporter mark before the Home Secretary stands up in the Commons, it will send a big statement.
Best wishes - I've been very moved by your solidarity and support.
Tom W
https://www.change.org/petitions/da...iry-into-allegations-of-organised-child-abuse
Firstly, a very big thank you. Without your support we would never have forced the Home Secretary to make an announcement in the House of Commons at 3.30pm today.
Early press reports say she will announce an inquiry into allegations of organised child abuse.
The devil will be in the detail.
Having talked to a number of survivors and retired child protection specialists I know one thing: if this new inquiry is not given the power to obtain all documents it wants to see, then it won't get anywhere.
It has already been revealed that Special Branch suppressed police reports into allegations of child abuse by the late MP Cyril Smith. If they held a file on Smith, then the inquiry team will want to know if they held files on any other individual. That's why the power to demand files is vital.
So we've made great progress in 24 hours but we have a little further to go before we can claim victory.
I'll let you know my view later this afternoon.
In the meantime - if you can get us past the 75,000 supporter mark before the Home Secretary stands up in the Commons, it will send a big statement.
Best wishes - I've been very moved by your solidarity and support.
Tom W
happie chappie
Well-Known Member
Possibly - but an individual will have to weigh up the opprobrium he/she would attract by refusing to attend against the chance they would be incriminated/incriminate themselves if they attended and answered questions truthfully.
It would be far better if the panel had the power to subpoena witnesses so they don't get the chance to weasel out.
However, there would be a case for survivors not to be compelled to give evidence - unless they could give it anonymously, possibly in written form.
Even then I would have reservations about issuing them with a subpoena.
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taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Sadly, there's a more recent interview with some even worse stuff (not neccessarily directly related to parliament) It needs huge trigger warnings. The update contains the most sick making stuff I've ever heard. Like many, I have my reservations about Maloney, but the interviewee seems bona fide.
elbows
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The Mails story about what he said there:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...claims-says-Tory-grandee-Peter-Bottomley.html
Truly absolutely unbelievable horrific sickening stuff if true especially 'The London Tape' snuff movie which is referred to which makes Rolf Harris's serial groping almost seem innocent in contrast. Go to youtube channel pnmfilms to watch.
Frankly I just don't believe it.
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Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Can't see any others, other than the one already posted here?
Don't want to directly link to it - but you should be able to see it here. Can't imagine given the libel considerations it will stay up long on You Tube.
WARNING - contains utterly revolting descriptions of child abuse and killing for snuff movies .
https://www.youtube.com/user/pnmfilms/videos
WARNING - contains utterly revolting descriptions of child abuse and killing for snuff movies .
https://www.youtube.com/user/pnmfilms/videos
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taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
One simple thing to bare in mind amidst all the complexity:
There is mounting public record evidence of decades where surpression and damage limitation to protect the establishment were way higher priorities than truth, justice or needs of victims.
If anyone has a reason to suppose that collective instinct suddenly changed over the weekend, I'd genuinelly like to know.
There is mounting public record evidence of decades where surpression and damage limitation to protect the establishment were way higher priorities than truth, justice or needs of victims.
If anyone has a reason to suppose that collective instinct suddenly changed over the weekend, I'd genuinelly like to know.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I know I said it, but could you please consider putting a trigger warning on your post. There really should be one on the video itself, I've asked for one dunno if it will be heeded. i may tweet the guy. The most sickening stuff is not actually directly related to the Parliamentary stuff (is later on too) and not thus really necessary to know for our purposes.
It did put me in mind of the conversation about satanism. It's not satanic, but it might as fucking well be. I'd hope most satanists wouldn't even dream of such depravity.
teqniq
DisMembered
Well quite. If they can effectively neuter or at the very least water down the Chilcott enquiry for the benefit of Blair and a few others. Wither any enquiry into this especially if it has no right to subpoena and testify under oath?
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Dillinger4
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ShiftyBagLady
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That updated interview was just... just horrifying really. I haven't looked into any of this stuff before now, I stumbled upon that interview through a Facebook group and I didn't expect to watch it all but found myself gripped by the injustice, suffering and callousness described in the events.
That video has even troubling me all day and I don't have any particular triggers other than a basic regard for my fellow man and an instinct to nurture and protect the young.
I dearly hope that the snuff movie described is not true but I am personally swayed by the account of Fay who seems to hbe no agenda other than to expose the horrors he encountered in his job.
It's too sad for words really
That video has even troubling me all day and I don't have any particular triggers other than a basic regard for my fellow man and an instinct to nurture and protect the young.
I dearly hope that the snuff movie described is not true but I am personally swayed by the account of Fay who seems to hbe no agenda other than to expose the horrors he encountered in his job.
It's too sad for words really
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Can anyone clarify if the activities and failings of police and intelligence services will be in the remit of what May has announced?
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
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My feelings exactly. Truly upsetting and sickening. I don't think there's a special need for people to watch it in full actually, though the earlier stuff is very pertinent (and still quite upsetting).
My feelings exactly. Truly upsetting and sickening. I don't think there's a special need for people to watch it in full actually, though the earlier stuff is very pertinent (and still quite upsetting).
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
With no power to subpoena and nobody under oath you can forget about getting to the truth with regular citizens.
Let alone unaccountable agencies like the secret police and spooks.
It'll be another whitewash. Paging Lord Hutton. Same old shit ...
Edited to add; they really do take the public for a bunch of mugs don't they?
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Ain't that the truth. Only solution would be mass protest as in Belgium back in the day. However being UK more likely some paediatrician will get his windows put in by a braying mob of idiots.
happie chappie
Well-Known Member
Well - you would be hard pushed to discern whether or not the inquiry will have access to security service files from her statement, if that helps.
As I mentioned above, her response to questions from Tom Watson and Kevin Brennan on this matter was, at best, unclear and at worst rather evasive.
The police may be a different matter but her response to a question specifically relating to special branch was equally vague.
IMHO the role of the security services is important in relation to the Dickens file, as well as other matters.
It is hard to believe that the Home Office did not pass a copy of the file to MI5 (if it indeed didn't already have a copy) - in fact you could argue that it was a dereliction of duty not to do so but, judging by the way it has handled matters thus far, nothing would surprise me.
However, in my opinion it is likely that MI5 have a complete copy of the Dickens file, making it more difficult for the authorities to maintain that the only copy has been lost and/or destroyed.
I'm sure Watson will pursue his line of questioning in relation to the security services.
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"Gary Walker" of Sinn Fein is Sean O' Callaghan.
http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/201...nised-paedophile-network-leads-back-to-no-10/
http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/201...nised-paedophile-network-leads-back-to-no-10/
The review will get nowhere for reasons of national security. The Elms was also a place where MI6 compromised foreign diplomats during the cold war, just like MI5 did with leading Loyalists at Kincora.
http://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/...an-handed-the-lost-vip-paedophile-dossier-to/
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el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
that never actually happened, you know. it was a story made up to be sneering about working class people.
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