How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[elbows]

There has just been a Newsnight interview with Peter McKelvie in relation to the NSPCC's role in the forthcoming enquiry (not very flattering) and other matters relating to survivors' allegations. He says that, according to survivors he has spoken to, abusers of 20 years' ago still occupy prominent and powerful positions.

Theres a BBC video of an interview with him online now:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28205225

 

[ska invita]

"moral panic" implies exagerated fuss. .

dont worry, im sure the rotweilers on newsnight wouldnt let that slip past

 

[treelover]

Savile was a spectacularly twisted and evil thing who raped children in plain sight for decades. For what it's worth I'd like to have seen some justice - him, the perp, having his head bounced off a pavement till the end of recorded time. However he's a fixed point in his story, the valuable 'lessons to be learned' is that vulnerable kids were exploited with various institutions unwilling to do anything - most of all, not giving a shit. That's the same story here. There might be the odd doddery m'Lord rapist still around to arrest, I doubt anyone will do time to be honest, but again they are the fixed points. The real focus should be on why political parties let their members rape children.

This could also be said about the grooming cases, the reasons for cover up may be different, but they occurred.

 

[Tankus]

Apologies if mentioned ,as its its a hundred pages ...but
http://www.tpuc.org/blair-covering-up-paedophile-scandal/
D notice ?......wag the dog ?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

http://bilgewatch.wordpress.com/201...our-loving-government-about-kids-being-raped/

 

[Batboy]

I'm not sure why Mellor is putting himself forward as a commentator as, if he had an ounce of self-awareness, he would know he has zero credibility about this matter. Or anything else.

It is true that he held a junior position in the Home Office (something he was seemingly keen to mention in interviews yesterday) - for all of 9 months.

I listened to Mellor on LBC with Livingstone last Saturday. I was shocked by his attitude, it didn't make sense he poopoohed criticism of Brittan and in the same show stood up for Rolf Harris over the age/sentence thing. He was almost ambivalent about the issue of child abuse. Top wanker.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

`<snip> The real focus should be on why political parties let their members rape children.

... and perhaps also why they seem to have got so much help from the cops, DPP and spooks in covering it all up.

 

[andy usher]

I listened to Mellor on LBC with Livingstone last Saturday. I was shocked by his attitude, it didn't make sense he poopoohed criticism of Brittan and in the same show stood up for Rolf Harris over the age/sentence thing. He was almost ambivalent about the issue of child abuse. Top wanker.

I suppose some people are thee to defend to balance things out. Personally I do not think at Rolf's age he should be in prison, I feel that if no one spoke out and it has taken the CPS etc so much time (2 years is it) to get to court then that's a fault of the system and should be taken into account.

 

[existentialist]

I suppose some people are thee to defend to balance things out. Personally I do not think at Rolf's age he should be in prison, I feel that if no one spoke out and it has taken the CPS etc so much time (2 years is it) to get to court then that's a fault of the system and should be taken into account.

Hmm. But that effectively says that if you can get away with something for long enough, you're off scot free - I'm not sure I like the implications of that.

 

[J Ed]

One thing I don't understand about this paedophile ring thing, or I suppose paedophile rings entrenched in power generally, is how exactly do all these paedophiles find each other to conspire in the first place? Surely the number of people who want to rape or rape kids is so tiny that paedophiles finding each other is difficult? Or do nonces just flock to politics?

 

[Kaka Tim]

Chief Childraping enablers MI5 and special branch should be compelled to give up their info on high level nonces. After all - that is where the various files have ended up.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Chief Childraping enablers MI5 and special branch should be compelled to give up their info on high level nonces. After all - that is where the various files have ended up.

Which in a way, is a reductio ad absurdum of the whole inquiry farce, because we know that's never going to happen.

Which means the toothless inquiry simply serves as a distraction, and maybe a chance to go after BBC and NHS to facilitate their privatisation.

 

[J Ed]

Chief Childraping enablers MI5 and special branch should be compelled to give up their info on high level nonces. After all - that is where the various files have ended up.

Indeed, and it also makes you wonder about the fact that our security services have been mass recording images on webcams. Should people who work so closely with paedophiles really be recording so many images of kids? Obviously no one should in the first place, but it does raise a few extra questions re: mass surveillance.

 

[J Ed]

Which means the toothless inquiry simply serves as a distraction, and maybe a chance to go after BBC and NHS to facilitate their privatisation.

Yep, the way the Murdoch press and the Tory scum have constantly been repeating BBC and NHS in relation to even this particular scandal shows that the political class never miss a chance to continue to promote their smash and grab raid on the rest of us. Even when they are being exposed as nonces and nonce facilitators.

 

[weltweit]

... Which means the toothless inquiry simply serves as a distraction..

The enquiries just seem a bit "Yes Minister" to me - a year discussing who had the files? during which the perpetrators go yet further without punishment, until the calculation might be that we have all forgotten about them again ..

 

[Betsy]

Hmm. But that effectively says that if you can get away with something for long enough, you're off scot free - I'm not sure I like the implications of that.

I'm absolutely positive I don't! Rolf Harris is where he belongs for what he has done. The only pity,I feel, is that he wasn't found out much much sooner - he has had a (charmed)life of unaccountabillty for his actions.

 

[Barking_Mad]

"Gary Walker" of Sinn Fein is Sean O' Callaghan.

http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/201...nised-paedophile-network-leads-back-to-no-10/

Website down.

 

[scalyboy]

I wasn't sure if, beyond me mentioning it in this thread several times because I the other year I saw an article from the time in a press archive that was fairly cheap to access online, this aspect had received any fresh mention in the press. Seems it did a few days ago:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-dismissed-as-fantasies-of-a-deluded-man.html

We know the answer to that one, which is probably most neatly summarised in todays Exaro story, which has already been linked to on this thread but here it is again.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5315/dpp-forced-scotland-yard-to-quiz-leon-brittan-over-rape-claim

From the first link: "He [Dickens] called a news conference at Westminster but was told on its eve that a newspaper was about to publish a story that he was having an affair." - something of a coincidence, no?

From the second (I can't cut 'n' paste from this site, must be the lizards ) - the alleged victim and her partner were mystified as to how 2 Sunday newspapers were publishing the story of Brittan's being questioned about the allegation, when apparently only the Met knew that they'd interviewed him.

Implications of media/'establishment' collusion - *gasp* whatever next

 

[existentialist]

I'm absolutely positive I don't! Rolf Harris is where he belongs for what he has done. The only pity,I feel, is that he wasn't found out much much sooner - he has had a (charmed)life of unaccountabillty for his actions.

Yes., he did. And that's the next problem we have to solve - the way in which celebrity and status, in far too many cases, enables people to ar the very least delay any kind of inquiries into their actions.

 

[scalyboy]

Apologies if mentioned ,as its its a hundred pages ...but
http://www.tpuc.org/blair-covering-up-paedophile-scandal/
D notice ?......wag the dog ?

What's all that stuff about Dunblane? Could someone summarise please ?

 

[elbows]

I see this BBC summary of how the papers are treating news of the inquiry indicates that spooks and whips offices are far from absent from the narrative.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-28205194

Alan Travis, in the Guardian, explains that this is because it aims to "complement, not undermine" the various criminal investigations into the matters. But he adds that it will "have powers to request all government papers, including MI5 and special branch files... and intriguingly, it will be able to take evidence including from the political parties' whips offices, which are said to hold the darkest secrets of Westminster".

The Telegraph notes that it was mentioned in the Commons that one former Conservative whip, Tim Fortescue, had told the BBC in the 1990s that party whips might not disclose certain behaviour of colleagues including that "involving small boys".

 

[Tankus]

Goldfish threshold ...sorry
Just that mention of Vicky de Lune , Cynthia Payne , Oranges in mouths , and Bunnies in France bit of a lightbulb moment of reassessing past headlines and an underlying link

The enquiries just seem a bit "Yes Minister" to me - a year discussing who had the files? during which the perpetrators go yet further without punishment, until the calculation might be that we have all forgotten about them again ..

Or die of old age ...... blackmail threats are weakening as the older string pullers lose their grip on power and the ablilty to manipulate the lid shut . ?
Its sort of like we are being drip fed expendable celebrity purves, as nasty as they are, as bread and circuses .
Finding it hard to differentiate between conspiracy and reality any more , because the reality is turning out to be far more scary .

Head goes back into the sand

 

[redsquirrel]

This myth still has life, I see.

It's undead, however many times it's knocked on the head it always pops back up.

 

[Idris2002]

Furedi is on Newsnight pontificating about 'moral panics'

They say you never leave MI5.

 

[Wilf]

They say you never leave MI5.

My blood pressure disallows me from watching this, but you do wonder what decision making went on in the Newsnight team to interview him. FFS this is a serious subject!

 

[Frances Lengel]

I suppose some people are thee to defend to balance things out. Personally I do not think at Rolf's age he should be in prison, I feel that if no one spoke out and it has taken the CPS etc so much time (2 years is it) to get to court then that's a fault of the system and should be taken into account.

Fuck right off. Klaus Barbie's murdering days were behind him by the time he ended up doing bird. Should've been let off then, eh?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Funny I heard those rumours too about Brittan also in the 80's, from a very old friend of mine who is a journalist who also worked at the Express. There is undoubtedly in my mind something afoot here. I remember being quite shocked at the time at what I was told. Yet nothing ever surfaced. There are a lot of influential people that were either involved or knew of underage teenagers or children being abused. The whole rent boy thing is nothing not heard of. A cover up and burying of evidence is not beyond belief.

It is depressing to think that all of this went on and goes on. The Saville/Hall/Gliitter/King/Cyril Smith etc etc revelations are a depressing testimony to the scale of abuse and the arseholeness of celebrity and power positions of the wealthy and influential elite . I live at the end of a road where there used to be long term abuse for dozens and dozens of children who were in care. The politicians too often sidestep these scandals for both political expediency and fear of drawing attention to their own ineptitude (Margaret Hodge anyone?).

You can see on the Internet the other names being banded around for some time including some very very important people and with that in mind it would be no surprise at stuff being 'buried' by a variety of people.

It's a fucking depressing dose of reality.

To give Hodge her due, she's not kept her gob shut on the stuff that's arisen post-Savile, even though she must be painfully aware that the meeja are just waiting to trot out her past.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Anyone read this?

http://www.richardwebster.net/brynestyn.htm

 

[Barking_Mad]

What's all that stuff about Dunblane? Could someone summarise please ?

Thomas Hamilton was given his gun licence by George Robertson (NATO). Hamilton wax a scout leader and paedophile. He was supplying boys to people in the local authority. He got pissed off and carried out Dunblane. Hence a 100 year gagging order on Dunblane files.

That's something like the theory iirc.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Warner said his inquiry in 1992 showed how children's homes were targeted by powerful paedophiles. He told the Today programme on BBC Radio 4: "Some of these children's homes were targeted by people in power, powerful people. Indeed, sexual abuse of children is a power drive. That's what a lot of it is about.
"It is possible that people who were authoritative, powerful in particular communities did sometimes have access to children's homes. We know for historical purposes that children's homes were a supply line sometimes."

Warner, a director of social services in Kent in the 1980s, said insufficient action was taken to deal with child abuse in that decade because there was "disbelief in the public mind".

He said: "It is pretty distasteful stuff. Society has found it difficult to come to terms with this … We still had an air of deference about people in authority.

"A cover-up means something is very organised. I think much more of this is about people being insensitive to some of these concerns and not being as preoccupied with protecting vulnerable people – children and adults."

Peter McKelvie, a former child protection manager whose allegations about child abuse led to a police inquiry in 2012, claimed that at least 20 prominent people abused children.

McKelvie told BBC2's Newsnight: "I believe that there is strong evidence – and an awful lot of information that can be converted into evidence if it is investigated properly – that there has been an extremely powerful elite amongst the highest levels of the political classes for as long as I am alive, and I am 65.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...upply-line-paedophiles-lord-warner?CMP=twt_gu