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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

I see David Mellor has come to the Home Office's defence

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...office-cover-up-over-geoffrey-dickens-dossier

My only reservation would concern the frankly rather emptily populist decision to put the chief executive of the NSPCC in charge of the inquiry into how the Home Office handled abuse allegations. Far more sensible, but, I admit, not so sexy publicity wise, would be to invite a boring lawyer to review what were, after all, legal or quasi-legal decisions, not social worker stuff.

That's right David, child abuse, it's just 'social worker stuff' :facepalm:
 
Sadly, there's a more recent interview with some even worse stuff (not neccessarily directly related to parliament) It needs huge trigger warnings. The update contains the most sick making stuff I've ever heard. Like many, I have my reservations about Maloney, but the interviewee seems bona fide.
Can you expand on that a little, I have no knowledge of Maloney apart from what I saw in the first video posted on here. The chap being interviewed was certainly full of what seemed like credible information but as I said I don't know Maloney at all.

eta: I just listened to the second tape, it seems he might be a bit of a conspiraloon :)
 
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Think this has only just gone on-line.....

Leon Brittan was given second paedophile dossier

Scotland Yard handed Leon Brittan, the former Conservative Home Secretary, a dossier naming 15 members of notorious paedophile group


In 1983 Scotland Yard sent Lord Brittan the results of a two -year investigation into the Paedophile Information Exchange, a group which campaigned for paedophilia to be legal.

According to reports the dossier named 15 men suspected of involvement in child sex activity and was passed to Sir Thomas Hetherington, the then Director of Public Prosecutions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ttan-was-given-second-paedophile-dossier.html
 
I'm extremely dubious that Brittan is being set up as a scapegoat. Most of the rumours I heard about him back in the '80s at the Express were fairly sordid, but as usual lacked credible witnesses (newspaper lawyers don't tend to see damaged victims as credible" :( ), so the papers never published the stories (just as they didn't about the likes of Nutkins, Hall and Savile). What were the rumours about? Not unadjacent to "if it moves, fuck it".
If Brittan IS being set up as a sacrifice, then he's the perfect person to throw to the wolves if the rumours are in any way true, because the story will have legs long enough to keep the media occupied for quite a while, possibly while other stuff gets a deeper grave.

Funny I heard those rumours too about Brittan also in the 80's, from a very old friend of mine who is a journalist who also worked at the Express. There is undoubtedly in my mind something afoot here. I remember being quite shocked at the time at what I was told. Yet nothing ever surfaced. There are a lot of influential people that were either involved or knew of underage teenagers or children being abused. The whole rent boy thing is nothing not heard of. A cover up and burying of evidence is not beyond belief.

It is depressing to think that all of this went on and goes on. The Saville/Hall/Gliitter/King/Cyril Smith etc etc revelations are a depressing testimony to the scale of abuse and the arseholeness of celebrity and power positions of the wealthy and influential elite . I live at the end of a road where there used to be long term abuse for dozens and dozens of children who were in care. The politicians too often sidestep these scandals for both political expediency and fear of drawing attention to their own ineptitude (Margaret Hodge anyone?).

You can see on the Internet the other names being banded around for some time including some very very important people and with that in mind it would be no surprise at stuff being 'buried' by a variety of people.

It's a fucking depressing dose of reality.
 
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Can you expand on that a little, I have no knowledge of Maloney apart from what I saw in the first video posted on here. The chap being interviewed was certainly full of what seemed like credible information but as I said I don't know Maloney at all.

eta: I just listened to the second tape, it seems he might be a bit of a conspiraloon :)


His sister was in "care," abused and later topped herself. He is driven by that, fair play to him for keeping with it, he getscarried away at times and could be more analytical, but its him doing the legwork with lots of this stuff.

I don't think people can quite comprehend that in the past, "care homes," were places were children were targeted, society turned a blind eye.

Nor can they comprehend the establishment and security services have always been deviant, the fact they used kids in care as their play things and pawns is really no surprise.
 
Off on a tangent here, does anyone remember this ?

Vicky De Lambray was a transsexual involved with various MI5 and establishment figures, she was just about to out various establishment figures, in 1986, that was a big deal. Met a mysterious death like the lady who owned the Elms who died of an insulin overdose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicky_de_Lambray

Gay News carried a short article in September 1983, saying de Lambray was a convicted High Society art thief and apparent MI5 tempter/temptress, and noting his brief sexual relationship with Captain Anatoli Zotov, former Soviet Naval attache.[3] De Lambray's 900 page autobiographical manuscript - "naming names" - went missing in the same year.[4]
Death[edit]
Despite a colourful life, de Lambray is perhaps known for a dramatic and mysterious death. According to The Times, de Lambray died in his flat in Stockwell, south London in August 1986 following a suspected heroin overdose. Three hours before he was found, de Lambray telephoned the Press Association, telling a reporter, 'I have just been killed. I have been injected with a huge amount of heroin. I am desperate.'[8] De Lambray's initial call to police, asserting that a group of men had injected the heroin into him, may not have been taken seriously. However, when they arrived Vicky was dead. No puncture marks were found on autopsy and no cause of death could be established, though traces of drugs and alcohol were detected in his system.[9] His body has been kept since at a London morgue
 
His sister was in "care," abused and later topped herself. He is driven by that, fair play to him for keeping with it, he getscarried away at times and could be more analytical, but its him doing the legwork with lots of this stuff.

I don't think people can quite comprehend that in the past, "care homes," were places were children were targeted, society turned a blind eye.

Nor can they comprehend the establishment and security services have always been deviant, the fact they used kids in care as their play things and pawns is really no surprise.
I can understand people being unable to comprehend such things, I certainly had no idea and find it very shocking. If half of what he alleges is true it is a scandal and the perpetrators have been lording it over us far too long. I wonder about the new enquiry, who cares about the documents? what about the victims and the guilty?
 
I see David Mellor has come to the Home Office's defence

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...office-cover-up-over-geoffrey-dickens-dossier



That's right David, child abuse, it's just 'social worker stuff' :facepalm:

I'm not sure why Mellor is putting himself forward as a commentator as, if he had an ounce of self-awareness, he would know he has zero credibility about this matter. Or anything else.

It is true that he held a junior position in the Home Office (something he was seemingly keen to mention in interviews yesterday) - for all of 9 months.
 
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Re-watching Rik Mayell's New Statesman there are quite a few hints at scandals we now know to be true, or at least more likely than the fantastic they appeared to be at the time. One of his associates is a transexual fixer who operates the dark arts. Series 2 episode 1 features references to Edwina Currie shagging half the cabinet, and there is repeated use of blackmail as a means of control.
 
With no power to subpoena and nobody under oath you can forget about getting to the truth with regular citizens.

Let alone unaccountable agencies like the secret police and spooks.

It'll be another whitewash. Paging Lord Hutton. Same old shit ...

Edited to add; they really do take the public for a bunch of mugs don't they?
It was very annoying listening to Cameron, Gideon and Clegg spoting their sanctimonious shite about what form an inquiry might take; they seem to be saying that no stone will be left unturned to uncover those who had been guilty of sexual abuse, and bring them to justice. Quite right too.

But no mention about strong suspicions of a systematic cover-up; will no stone be left unturned to uncover, for example, why Dickens was about to name names in a press conference, but - at the last minute - changed his mind and announced his own adulterous affair instead?

Why did his wife destroy the other copy of his dossier?

Why was Brittan suddenly, last month, questioned about a sex offence alleged to have happened nearly 50 years ago?

IMHO these implications of a systematic, organised cover-up, including intimidation and threats, is just as alarming, and as deserving of a thorough investigation as the actual sexual abuse itself.
 
My feelings exactly. Truly upsetting and sickening. I don't think there's a special need for people to watch it in full actually, though the earlier stuff is very pertinent (and still quite upsetting).
You know what, I think I disagree about that. I don't think their descriptions of the content are gratuitous and they do pause beforehand which gives some sort of a warning though it is not explicit. I think the video is useful in that is describes a specific video which was uncovered and investigated twice in foreign countries and the information was reported passed to the British authorities and not pursued. They claim the child who was so horrendously treated in the video was even identified by the british authorities and still not pursued.
The details of the abuse are deeply troubling and challenging because of the suffering of the children and because they challenge us to believe that people could be capable of such acts of depravity and cruelty. (But then that was my first response to the discovery of the child's mutilated torso found in the river Thames too). This is why the logical response to this stuff is disbelief; we just can't fathom the mentality of it and don't want to admit the possibilty into our consciousness.
I think the severity of the abuse and the crimes committed against these children is relevant because it inidcates how callously corrupt the authorities were/are who know/know about it and didn't/don't hold people to account for their crimes.
 
His sister was in "care," abused and later topped herself. He is driven by that, fair play to him for keeping with it, he getscarried away at times and could be more analytical, but its him doing the legwork with lots of this stuff.

I don't think people can quite comprehend that in the past, "care homes," were places were children were targeted, society turned a blind eye.

Nor can they comprehend the establishment and security services have always been deviant, the fact they used kids in care as their play things and pawns is really no surprise.

They still are in relation to the grooming scandals, though now it is being taken seriously.
 
But no mention about strong suspicions of a systematic cover-up; will no stone be left unturned to uncover, for example, why Dickens was about to name names in a press conference, but - at the last minute - changed his mind and announced his own adulterous affair instead?

I wasn't sure if, beyond me mentioning it in this thread several times because I the other year I saw an article from the time in a press archive that was fairly cheap to access online, this aspect had received any fresh mention in the press. Seems it did a few days ago:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-dismissed-as-fantasies-of-a-deluded-man.html

“Although Sir Peter Hayman had subscribed to PIE, that is not an offence and there is no evidence that he was ever involved in the management. At the trial, whilst there were general references to members of PIE, including, though not by name, Sir Peter Hayman, there was no reference to any material produced by him or found in his possession.”

In fact, Hayman was referred to by the name of Henderson. To Dickens this was evidence of a deliberate cover-up by the prosecutors and he proposed to take the matter further. He called a news conference at Westminster but was told on its eve that a newspaper was about to publish a story that he was having an affair. His mistress attended the news conference, where Dickens confessed to “a skeleton in my own cupboard” and a predilection for afternoon tea dances. His paedophile campaign ran into the buffers of derision from the press and hostility from fellow parliamentarians, some of whom denounced his use of parliamentary privilege to name Hayman and accused him of grandstanding.

Why was Brittan suddenly, last month, questioned about a sex offence alleged to have happened nearly 50 years ago?

We know the answer to that one, which is probably most neatly summarised in todays Exaro story, which has already been linked to on this thread but here it is again.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5315/dpp-forced-scotland-yard-to-quiz-leon-brittan-over-rape-claim
 
Background to the review(s)

May asks NSPCC boss to head child abuse review
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28189072

There has just been a Newsnight interview with Peter McKelvie in relation to the NSPCC's role in the forthcoming enquiry (not very flattering) and other matters relating to survivors' allegations. He says that, according to survivors he has spoken to, abusers of 20 years' ago still occupy prominent and powerful positions.

Some background about him can be found here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...nvestigating-Westminster-paedophile-ring.html
 
When it comes to what was known, by whom, when - and why they didn't do anything about it, aka 'the Savile question's, which will come into focus in the unlikely event that members of the whips office from the 1980s ever appear before an inquiry: pretty much any MP who'd come up through the ranks, had some familiarity with the Westminster machine/their own party machine would have known (as would any newspaper editor, Westminster correspondent). That's not to say any MP would have had perfect knowledge about every scandal in every era, but they'd certainly have known the bare bones of their own era - or at the very least 'Lord Shit was picked up in a brothel, MP x nonced his PA' - and even more so the names of the people named in significant documents. In a place that thrives on gossip, but also has access to police information and unpublished journalistic stories, they fucking knew.
 
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Apologies if this link has already been posted elsewhere but more on Peter McKelvie, who appears to be one of Tom Watson's key sources.

It's his blog:

http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/category/peter-mckelvie/

A warning - there's a hell of a lot of it. But it has a lot of interesting background - notably his numerous attempts to get Cameron, Clegg etc to take this issue seriously.

If true, it makes Cameron's "we need to get to the bottom of this" interview this afternoon a pile of hypocritical, self-serving, guff.
 
I am less bothered by that. It worries me these enquiries seem more about the handling of files and apparent loss of some of them, than the actual content of the files themselves, namely the perpetrators!
Savile was a spectacularly twisted and evil thing who raped children in plain sight for decades. For what it's worth I'd like to have seen some justice - him, the perp, having his head bounced off a pavement till the end of recorded time. However he's a fixed point in his story, the valuable 'lessons to be learned' is that vulnerable kids were exploited with various institutions unwilling to do anything - most of all, not giving a shit. That's the same story here. There might be the odd doddery m'Lord rapist still around to arrest, I doubt anyone will do time to be honest, but again they are the fixed points. The real focus should be on why political parties let their members rape children.
 
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