How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[brogdale]

Can't really see that we will ever learn the truth of it, though. Which part of the establishment isn't infected with corruption? Not denying that there are many good and decent people doing their jobs conscientiously. Most of them, in fact. But there are others, aren't there?

I'd imagine that the Met will be working very hard indeed to look for evidence in this case....just enough to persuade the CPS there is insufficient to proceed with any prosecutions.

 

[hot air baboon]

This does crystallise my earlier concern about the trajectory of these stories – its incredibly difficult - there are dark places the public just don’t want to go which is when the denial reaction can kick in…what you might call the “next level” stuff……the jump from lone-nuts to the systemic…..MPs at snuff-parties is just that sort of inflexion point where it could go either way…. this is no way related to how much publicity or how ”open” the events are –it can even be one of the biggest news-stories in history - the JFK case…I would argue…

It happens so often - people become psychologically receptive to a Warren Commission, a Jean La Fontaine, a David Aaaronovitch or Richard Webster to soothe them back to sleep ….it was all a bad dream….nothing to see here….any slight inconsistency or failing in proving the unthinkable’s the point where the “sheeple” can get herded away from the “conspiraloons” , most grab onto an incinsistency in order to “check out” of the Hotel California when the steely knives start appearing…

It happened with the whole ritual abuse issue – child abuse yes, Dennis Wheatley stuff – no
the Dutroux case - had 100,000 people demonstrating in the street at one point and then Regina Louf & the X-Dossiers / widespread evil elite paedo networks – no….…Welsh Care Homes….yes, McAlpine – spectacular derailment….that’s got to be a worry and makes “Nick” very vulnerable and exposed – hence his pleas for people to come forward…if they don’t we’ve got a serious problem here…

The Jersey South Coast connection is “interesting” to say the least – but then I’m a pretty credulous loonspud by nature…and appreciate the brain filters and critical thinking of the more hard-headed posters on here...

….and by a very odd coinkydinck there was a story last week about a millionaire businessman mysteriously doing a “Robert Maxwell” off his Sunseeker yacht off the South Coast – the first version led with his conviction for paedophilia & “depraved abuse” in the 60’s before it was quickly pulled & that whole element entirely redacted…apparently a straight-forward and entirely legitimate bit of editing under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act “4 year rule” for spent convictions – but some legal eagle or other must have been on the phones mighty quick to get that sorted…..

 

[tbtommyb]

can someone pm me names/good links to what the 'next level' is suspected to be?

 

[SW9]

And me please

 

[Buckaroo]

can someone pm me names/good links to what the 'next level' is suspected to be?

tbtommyb you is what the next level suspected to be.

 

[bluescreen]

A bit baffling, this, from the Daily Vile, as I can't see where it's originally reported.

Police were told a Cabinet minister and prominent MPs were abusing children 26 years ago at a block of luxury flats used by politicians but nothing was done, a senior MP revealed yesterday.

Fears of a cover-up of an Establishment paedophile ring deepened last night as an MP said he handed over evidence in 1988 of ‘abuse parties’ at Dolphin Square and other London locations, but an investigation was shelved by Scotland Yard.

Labour’s John Mann said the case was closed within three months on the orders of ‘those at the top’.

His revelation came as it emerged that police are probing disturbing reports of three murders linked to the alleged VIP paedophile ring in the 1970s and 1980s.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...buse-Scotland-Yard-investigation-shelved.html

 

[nino_savatte]

Noel Edmonds speaks

TV host Noel Edmonds believes the Royal Family and Margaret Thatcher were as much to blame as the BBC for failing to stop Jimmy Savile’s “unspeakable” crimes.

Edmonds, who worked with Savile at the Corporation, said the whole establishment was implicated for allowing the paedophile DJ to flourish.

Edmonds never liked Savile, he said, describing him as “the absolute depths of depravation” and recalling how he used to wonder why he even had a job.

But responsibility for the prolific sex offending he committed during his decades-long career could not all be laid at the door of the broadcaster, he argued.

He said: “What transpired was unspeakable. But it’s wrong to entirely blame the culture of the BBC.

“Savile was in deep with the Royals, with Mrs Thatcher, with the hospitals and with Broadmoor.

“There’s a whole establishment that let him into its heart. Not just the BBC.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/the-royal-family-margaret-thatcher-4641034

Blimey.

 

[Betsy]

From Twitter

John Mann MP @JohnMannMP · 5h 5 hours ago
At least one former MP being investigated for child abuse is employing Political insiders for PR 'advice'

John Mann MP @JohnMannMP · 5h 5 hours ago
Some of those accused of child abuse are paying a lot of money for PR and lobbying

John Mann MP @JohnMannMP · 6h 6 hours ago
Two more Notts child abuse victims came forward at my surgeries last week as did a name already given to me over Dolphin Square/ Saville.

John Mann MP @JohnMannMP · Nov 14
Met inquiry into Lambeth child abuse murder. Reported to police several times over the last year

 

[hot air baboon]

...loking back through the files seems reasonable to assume these latest murder revelations tie back to the Sidney Cooke stuff...


The net closes: Ex-Tory chief faces child sex arrest over claims girl was raped and boys were abused

Feb 16, 2013 22:30 By Justin Penrose

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-tory-faces-child-sex-1714162

Police are preparing to arrest a former Tory Cabinet minister after a woman came forward to claim she had been raped by him as a girl.

Detectives are also investigating claims that he abused boys.

We can reveal that the former minister is suspected of being part of a VIP paedophile ring that was regularly handed boys by child rapist and killer Sidney Cooke for vile sex orgies.

The former high-ranking MP, who we cannot name, is under investigation by Scotland Yard’s paedophile unit.


...still "preparing" obviously...forgot one of the MP's was a woman...( allegedly )


Female MP abused boy in care

A FORMER female MP was involved in a paedophile network at the heart of government, police have been told.

By: James FieldingPublished: Sun, January 12, 2014

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/453381/Female-MP-abused-boy-in-care

She is alleged to have forced a boy in care to perform a “vile” sex act at one of a series of drug-fuelled parties in Westminster in the Eighties where boys and girls as young as 13 were allegedly abused.

Last night her alleged victim told the Sunday Express: “I want justice.”

Andrew Ash, now 45, said he has given Scotland Yard the name of the former MP. We cannot name her for legal reasons.

Mr Ash claims he was frequently ferried down to London from the North of England, where he was in care, to take part in sex parties.

 

[Barking_Mad]

List of former female mp's in the 1980's.

http://www.qub.ac.uk/cawp/UK bios/UK_bios_80s.htm

 

[Barking_Mad]

Noel Edmonds speaks

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/the-royal-family-margaret-thatcher-4641034

Blimey.

It does raise questions about MI5 and vetting procedures for hanging around with Royals and being given keys to Broadmoor. Media not so keen on that angle.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Didn't MI5 had an office at the BBC and vetted all presenters etc back in the 80's?

 

[Barking_Mad]

Drip, drip, drip.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...buse-Scotland-Yard-investigation-shelved.html

Police were told a Cabinet minister and prominent MPs were abusing children 26 years ago at a block of luxury flats used by politicians but nothing was done, a senior MP revealed yesterday.

Fears of a cover-up of an Establishment paedophile ring deepened last night as an MP said he handed over evidence in 1988 of ‘abuse parties’ at Dolphin Square and other London locations, but an investigation was shelved by Scotland Yard.

Labour’s John Mann said the case was closed within three months on the orders of ‘those at the top’.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2837175/MP-told-police-VIP-paedophile-ring-s-parties-26-years-Labour-s-John-Mann-claims-handed-evidence-abuse-Scotland-Yard-investigation-shelved.html

 

[Barking_Mad]

Incidentally the most voted comment (720 times) in the above article is this:

Jon Cooper, Cornwall, a day ago

I don't know why anybody is having a hard time believing this? it's very well known the best way to get people in power to do what they are told is to have some terrible secret held over them.

 

[Dillinger4]

Didn't MI5 had an office at the BBC and vetted all presenters etc back in the 80's?

THE BLACKLIST IN ROOM 105

 

[nino_savatte]

Didn't MI5 had an office at the BBC and vetted all presenters etc back in the 80's?

This?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/7777548/BBC-wanted-more-vetting-from-MI5.html

 

[Barking_Mad]

Thanks. Interesting piece. So either:

1. MI5 were inept and had no idea about Savile's behaviour.
2. They knew about Savile but decided not to do anything about it.
3. Something else....

 

[DaveCinzano]

Thanks. Interesting piece. So either:

1. MI5 were inept and had no idea about Savile's behaviour.
2. They knew about Savile but decided not to do anything about it.
3. Something else....

The Room 105 vetting involved the weeding out of potential lefties, not much more than that. Savile would not, I imagine, be on the radar.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Thanks. Interesting piece. So either:

1. MI5 were inept and had no idea about Savile's behaviour.
2. They knew about Savile but decided not to do anything about it.
3. Something else....

Something else...knew about Saville and some of what they knew was very useful to them?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Barking_Mad]

MI5 don't vet people who spend 30+ years in Royal circles and hang around with Prime Ministers? Maybe not, maybe he'd been around so long they didn't continue to check him and were unaware of the ongoing gossip.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Something else...knew about Saville and some of what they knew was very useful to them?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Jimmy Savile a 'spook'? It sounds ridiculous I admit. But he did know an awful lot about an awful lot of people.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Jimmy Savile a 'spook'? It sounds ridiculous I admit. But he did know an awful lot about an awful lot of people.

Not he's a spook but he knew stuff which was of more use to spooks being kept quiet than him being pursued....anyway this is all just wild speculation on my part...I just have a gut feeling that there is next to nothing that a security service can't countenance keeping quiet under the guise of protecting the national interest.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Barking_Mad]

From last year.

The former officer said: “It was clear a cover-up had taken place.

“The investigation showed that[Sidney] Cooke would pick up rent boys and take them back to flats or garages where large groups of men were waiting to abuse them.

“These paedophiles, which included a lot of high-profile figures that were said to include the former Cabinet Minister, Savile and MP Cyril Smith, all knew each other and all operated together.

"They would lie in wait and Cooke would turn up with the boy who wouldn’t know what was going to happen.

“We had photographic evidence of these high-profile figures entering or leaving buildings where the abuse was taking place. Everyone knew Savile was a paedo but nothing was ever done.

“Cyril Smith was photographed going into one of the properties with a high-profile film director.

In 1993 Detective Superintendent Ed Williams tried to track down the Orchid file on Cooke to see if there were any similarities with the abduction and murder of nine-year-old Daniel Handley, but he struggled to find the folder.

He eventually found it in the basement of Arbour Square Police Station in Stepney, East London.

While there were references to a “wider paedophile ring” there were no photographs or names.

Mr Williams said: “I was very upset about the way the Met treated paedophile cases but I was a voice in the wilderness at that time and people thought I was being over-emotional.

“I found the Orchid files where they had been put for storage purposes and somebody had completely forget to send it back to the Yard. I was trying to look for paedophiles and connections with other cases as I was trying to build up a profile of the offender.

“The report spoke about boys being passed around from paedophile to paedophile.

“There were no pictures on the file. It did mention that there was a wider ring of individuals but did not mention Jimmy Savile or a cabinet minister.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-tory-faces-child-sex-1714162

 

[elbows]

With the info currently in the public domain, linking recent murder revelations with the Sidney Cooke stories is understandable and might be the right link to make. Might not though, or the overlap between groups may be on a lesser level than it is tempting to think.

I find it somewhat hard to keep thinking about all this stuff with the present level of detail, although I remain very happy that a couple of sections of the press are able to find stuff to keep running with. If the police investigations don't show signs of getting somewhere by this time next year I can't see me maintaining the tune I've been humming in this thread so far though.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Think this has only just gone on-line.....

Leon Brittan was given second paedophile dossier

Scotland Yard handed Leon Brittan, the former Conservative Home Secretary, a dossier naming 15 members of notorious paedophile group

In 1983 Scotland Yard sent Lord Brittan the results of a two -year investigation into the Paedophile Information Exchange, a group which campaigned for paedophilia to be legal.

According to reports the dossier named 15 men suspected of involvement in child sex activity and was passed to Sir Thomas Hetherington, the then Director of Public Prosecutions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ttan-was-given-second-paedophile-dossier.html

Perhaps worth bumping this post as a reminder they've lost two Dickens dossiers, not one.

 

[brogdale]

Top of the Tele...

The father of an eight-year-old boy murdered in the 1980s claims that his son may have died at the hands of a Westminster paedophile ring - and that Scotland Yard helped “cover up” the crime.

Vishambar Mehrotra, a retired magistrate, recorded a male prostitute saying in a telephone call that his son may have been abducted and taken to a now notorious guesthouse in 1981.

He took the recording to police at the time but claims they refused to investigate an allegation implicating “judges and politicians”. Mr Mehrotra said it had been a “huge cover-up”.

He added: “I recorded the whole 15-minute conversation and took it to police. But instead of investigating it, they just pooh-poohed it and I never heard anything about the tape again. The whole thing went cold.

“At that time I trusted the police. But when nothing happened, I became confused and concerned.

“Now it is clear to me that there has been a huge cover up. There is no doubt in my mind.”

In February 1982, part of Vishal’s skeleton was found in woodland in West Sussex. There was no trace of his legs, pelvis or lower spine, nor of his outer clothes, his sleeveless vest or his Superman underpants.

 

[Betsy]

Deleted post.

 

[bluescreen]

From the Telegraph article that brogdale quoted above, disturbing details of another missing boy:

Martin’s brother said on Tuesday that police should reopen the investigation into the teenager’s disappearance. Kevin Allen, 51, said he had always suspected a cover-up after police told him all the case files had been lost in a freak flood.

I dunno - freak flood, freak fire - this re North Wales:

21.79 The other complaints of physical abuse have been so diffuse that, in general, it would
be invidious to single out individuals. Thus, of the 49 members of staff referred to in paragraph
21.58, 31 were named by only one complainant and a further nine by only two or three. An
additional problem has been the absence of any Community records of most of their residents
because we were told in the course of our preliminary hearing that these records were
destroyed in a fire that occurred on 25 October 1996 at a Pickfords storage depot in Hoole,
near Chester. {my bold}

Lost in Care
Report of the Tribunal of Inquiry into the Abuse of Children in Care in the Former County Council Areas of Gwynedd and Clwyd since 1974
--
More on the Lightfoot Street fire at the Needle

 

[Barking_Mad]

Perhaps worth bumping this post as a reminder they've lost two Dickens dossiers, not one.

Also remember that Leon Brittan's Private Secratary, who Leon Britan said he gave the dossier to, was Sir Brian Cubbon. A man with links to MI5 & MI6 and the person responsible for putting through requests to tap CND members phones in the 80's.

All roads lead to MI5.

Edit: Cubbon is currently a member of the Charter Compliance Panel of the Press Complaints Commission

 

[Kaka Tim]

its almost like its one big cosy club of cunts ....