Holyrood elections May 2021

[SlideshowBob]

Oh, I'm with you. I liked this one too, presenting losing one of your five seats and a reduction in your percentage of the vote as some kind of triumph (((Willie Rennie))).

Scottish Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie: "We have had some astonishing constituency results, with almost half the vote in Shetland, more in Orkney and North East Fife and the highest vote for any constituency since the formation of the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh Western. It is frustrating that we weren’t able to move the dial in other constituencies and on the regional lists.

There's an argument they were only really particularly strong in some of their constituency seats as well because of the obvious tactical vote switches. For a lot of unionists they were the easy switch vote - not as toxic as the Tories for Labour supporters, and not as "left" as Labour for Tory backers. At this point it's basically a bunch of independent unionists who are fairly strong on localism more than a coherent national political party. Their branding is relatively inoffensive and on some stuff they do okay, but there's little to differentiate them from Labour for the most part, and most of the electorate have basically given up on them in constituencies they don't already hold. If they lose any of their current four in future, wouldn't be surprising to see Labour/Tories become the main opposition party - as was the in 2017 UK election when some former Lib Dem strongholds from before 2015 suddenly had the Tories as the main challengers to the SNP.

 

[SlideshowBob]

Labour MP Ian Murray: "We came into this campaign looking to stop the rot. Anas Sarwar has led from the front and he has won this election in terms of the party leaders and has put Scottish Labour back on the park. We are optimistic and looking forward to the future now."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56995136

Presume Murray sort of muddled his words a bit, but the spin from Labour that this was an okay result due to where they'd been under Leonard is more than a bit odd - the goal for them was clearly to make slight gains and overtake the Tories in second, and on that front they completely failed. The message of "unity over division" didn't really cut through even though voters don't like Sarwar because at the end of the day politics is ultimately divisive - a large part of the Labour pitch seems to be nostalgia for the past where most of the country voted for them unquestioningly and didn't really bother with politics beyond that. Not to mention that the constitutional question means seats Labour either held or were once competitive in have solely become SNP/Tory battles, Eastwood being a good example. Hard to see a route back into government for them as a result of that in future.

 

[Sue]

If they lose any of their current four in future, wouldn't be surprising to see Labour/Tories become the main opposition party - as was the in 2017 UK election when some former Lib Dem strongholds from before 2015 suddenly had the Tories as the main challengers to the SNP.

The Lib Dems aren't the main opposition party in Scotland.

 

[danny la rouge]

Oh my god, the UK media are so incredibly uniformed about Scottish politics. Yet they feel entitled to pontificate authoritatively.

I read one take that said the Scottish Greens had bucked the trend for junior partners in government coalition to be punished by the electorate. The Greens were not party to any coalition. There was no coalition. Do they not even know that? This is basic stuff. How do they not know?

It makes me realise that their confident pontification on other countries is probably bollocks too.

 

[Sue]

Oh my god, the UK media are so incredibly uniformed about Scottish politics. Yet they feel entitled to pontificate authoritatively.

I read one take that said the Scottish Greens had bucked the trend for junior partners in government coalition to be punished by the electorate. The Greens were not party to any coalition. There was no coalition. Do they not even know that? This is basic stuff. How do they not know?

It makes me realise that their confident pontification on other countries is probably bollocks too.

Yes. Most people are completely uninformed. Although I suppose the ones I encounter aren't professional media types. (A friend did point out to me yesterday that the Greens were pro-independence which was...helpful as I had no idea!)

 

[AmateurAgitator]

This is probably be a silly question, but how did Jayda Fransen get on?

 

[weepiper]

This is probably be a silly question, but how did Jayda Fransen get on?

She got 46 votes.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

She got 46 votes.

Awesome

 

[Johnny Vodka]

She got 46 votes.

46 too many tho.

 

[danny la rouge]

This is probably be a silly question, but how did Jayda Fransen get on?

 

[SlideshowBob]

The Lib Dems aren't the main opposition party in Scotland.

Sorry I phrased that badly - in seats they currently hold I mean. Once they lose those seats they'll probably struggle to even challenge for them - unionist vote basically what is holding them up there at the moment.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

The Lib Dems aren't the main opposition party in Scotland.

They might well be in Willie Rennie's head, given how deluded he is.

 

[weepiper]

The Lib Dems lost their deposit in 50 seats!

 

[Sue]

The Lib Dems lost their deposit in 50 seats!

I think you'll find it was actually a triumph!

Scottish Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie: "We have had some astonishing constituency results, with almost half the vote in Shetland, more in Orkney and North East Fife and the highest vote for any constituency since the formation of the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh Western. It is frustrating that we weren’t able to move the dial in other constituencies and on the regional lists.'

 

[steeplejack]

The Lib Dems lost their deposit in 50 seats!

It’s the hundred yard dash towards electoral oblivion!

 

[Johnny Vodka]

For fuck's sake, what an absolute clown. There'd be as much point interviewing a lump of stone. It's like he's never heard of the Scottish Greens and what their election manifesto was. And as if people voted for the SNP not realising they'd be fighting for an indie referendum!

Scottish Conservatives leader Douglas Ross: “Of the two successive attempts for Nicola Sturgeon to gain a majority she has failed.” – Channel 4 News

 

[danny la rouge]

as if people voted for the SNP not realising they'd be fighting for an indie referendum!

The Tories’ campaign was only about stopping indyref2.

Since they didn’t win a majority, indyref2 wasn’t stopped.

 

[MickiQ]

46 too many tho.

TBF 46 votes is a low enough number to down to people getting distracted by someone speaking to them or them forgetting to bring their reading glasses.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

TBF 46 votes is a low enough number to down to people getting distracted by someone speaking to them or them forgetting to bring their reading glasses.

Sadly, there are racist knuckle-dragging cunts in Scotland, the sort that would instigate trouble.

 

[geminisnake]

I'm talking about post independence .

I know, and my answer stands , there is NO Scottish Labour, they would have to reregister or start a new party as would the tories and the libdums. As to how folk will vote once we have independence who knows? I am hoping there will be new left wing parties started

 

[steeplejack]

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It’s the hundred yard dash towards electoral oblivion!

Hey, when the 27th most important Liberal Democrat in the country walks into the room, you listen.

 

[steeplejack]

Less amusingly, Sleepy Cuddles and his ragbag of hypertensive bigots & fundamentalists aren’t going away. Not clear if he personally will be, though.

Salmond says Alba is 'home for lost souls' of the Yes movement

ALEX Salmond has said he wants his Alba party to be a "home for the lost souls of the national movement" and contest next year’s council…

www.heraldscotland.com

 

[danny la rouge]

Less amusingly, Sleepy Cuddles and his ragbag of hypertensive bigots & fundamentalists aren’t going away. Not clear if he personally will be, though.

Salmond says Alba is 'home for lost souls' of the Yes movement

ALEX Salmond has said he wants his Alba party to be a "home for the lost souls of the national movement" and contest next year’s council…

www.heraldscotland.com

They’re busy running around blaming everyone who didn’t vote for them (in other words, everyone) for being idiots. No sense from them that they understand that the public just didn’t want to vote for them.

(incidentally also no sense from them that they can tell the difference between SNP activists and the general voting public).

 

[Sue]

Less amusingly, Sleepy Cuddles and his ragbag of hypertensive bigots & fundamentalists aren’t going away. Not clear if he personally will be, though.

Salmond says Alba is 'home for lost souls' of the Yes movement

ALEX Salmond has said he wants his Alba party to be a "home for the lost souls of the national movement" and contest next year’s council…

www.heraldscotland.com

I like the 'lost souls' bit.

 

[weepiper]

I like the 'lost souls' bit.

 

[Sue]

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Where's the crocodile when you need it?

 

[danny la rouge]

Where's the crocodile when you need it?

Tick tock.

 

[elbows]

Another tweet, sorry. It’s a video of Salmond, visibly drunk, accusing others of being graceless while being ... graceless. And comparing himself to Trump. While sycophants (including Iain Lawson) indulge his rant.

It is tempting to presume that the vacuum Trump created for him was actually an 'innovative' Covid treatment that involved a hoover with a special rectal attachment.

I am sad that we havent been treated to more electoral analysis from redcogs, especially as in March he described comparisons of Salmond to Trump as being ludicrous off the wall stuff. Salmond is off the wall all right, and all the kinds horses and all the kings men, couldnt put that spent force back together again.