Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Pickman's model]

It's simple - Israel decided that Gaza was going to say quiet, because they wanted Gaza to stay quiet - because they wanted to divert resources to the West Bank, and secondly because Hamas had got the measure or Israeli int gathering and fed it what it wanted to hear.

The first bit was by far the most important: Israel had decided that Hamas didn't want to go to war, so anything it saw in Gaza was not Hamas preparing for war.

For anyone with an interest in history, if you change the words Israel, Gaza, West Bank ,and Hamas to the UK, Falkland Islands, Europe and Argentina, you get an exact replica of what happened in 1980-1982...

https://www.governmentattic.org/18docs/CIAdeceptionMaximsFactFolklore_1980.pdf

loads of stuff on the internet on deception, if only you look. a quick search turned up military manuals, bibliographies and this 'deception maxims' document from the cia. and if you're somewhere where you've a load of time on your hands, like most people in gaza, then it's no surprise that sooner or later people decide to take advantage of the zionists' complacency

 

[Sasaferrato]

Do you real expect a lower life form like Hodge to care about Palestinians?

Wrong sort of Jew?

 

[Pickman's model]

Wrong sort of Jew?

margaret hodge, the paedos' friend ‘Margaret Hodge ‘sorry’ as council she led told to investigate Savile abuse allegations’ her religion is irrelevant, it's her politics and she's a vile creature for reasons relating to her time as leader of islington council

 

[TopCat]

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The March is forming up. Predominantly young people. Portland Place is filling. Maybe a thousand people joining the back every twenty mins.

 

[Spymaster]

The March is forming up. Predominantly young people. Portland Place is filling. Maybe a thousand people joining the back every twenty mins.

Do you know what the route will be?

 

[Karl Masks]

Did this get posted yet?

Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn, writes the BBC's World Affairs editor.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[phildwyer]

It was the Romans who killed Jesus.

Not according to the Gospels.

 

[Pickman's model]

Did this get posted yet?

Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn, writes the BBC's World Affairs editor.

www.bbc.co.uk

thought you'd have a pungent comment or two to share

 

[phildwyer]

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist but this does seem incredibly fishy. Gaza is tiny. And they were training and planning for years according to that video. How could that go undetected.

Hamas live underground, that's how. I mean literally.

 

[deeyo]

Do you know what the route will be?

Spoiler: route

 

[Pickman's model]

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it's bloody ages since i've been on a demo from embankment to hyde park, that used to be the most common route. but this bbc to parliament one seems to have become the standard in the last few years

 

[Pickman's model]

Hamas live underground, that's how. I mean literally.

except for when they're making videos of them training in the open air obvs

 

[phildwyer]

except for when they're making videos of them training in the open air obvs

That's right. How long do you think an open-air Hamas training camp would last? Hamas have constructed an elaborate network of deep tunnels, and that's where they live. So the only people hurt by the Israeli bombing are civilians.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's right. How long do you think an open-air Hamas training camp would last? Hamas have constructed an elaborate network of deep tunnels, and that's where they live. So the only people hurt by the Israeli bombing are civilians.

more than a year apparently. let's see your source for the 'hamas live underground' claim. and if the only people hurt by israeli bombing are civilians then murad abu murad must have been a civilian Hamas Leader Who Oversaw "Aerial Operations" Killed In Israeli Airstrike

 

[phildwyer]

more than a year apparently. let's see your source for the 'hamas live underground' claim. and if the only people hurt by israeli bombing are civilians then murad abu murad must have been a civilian Hamas Leader Who Oversaw "Aerial Operations" Killed In Israeli Airstrike

If the Israelis truly want to destroy Hamas, they're going to have to go into the tunnels. Aerial bombardment will not do the job.

 

[Pickman's model]

If the Israelis truly want to destroy Hamas, they're going to have to go into the tunnels. Aerial bombardment will not do the job.

that doesn't look like a source for 'hamas live underground'

 

[phildwyer]

that doesn't look like a source for 'hamas live underground'

Hamas live underground, in the tunnels. The civilian population lives above ground. Israel knows this perfectly well. So we see that Hamas are not the real target of the aerial bombardment.

 

[The39thStep]

(Alleged) Labour Party advice to CLPs and BLPs re todays demonstration ( there two more pages)

 

[platinumsage]

Hamas live underground, in the tunnels. The civilian population lives above ground. Israel knows this perfectly well. So we see that Hamas are not the real target of the aerial bombardment.

Except for all the key Hamas figures killed by air strikes in the last few days.

 

[Pickman's model]

Hamas live underground, in the tunnels. The civilian population lives above ground. Israel knows this perfectly well. So we see that Hamas are not the real target of the aerial bombardment.

yeh. i asked for the source of your claim, not for a repetition of what you'd said.

 

[Pickman's model]

Except for all the key Hamas figures killed by air strikes in the last few days.

dwyer's said they're civilians

 

[phildwyer]

Except for all the key Hamas figures killed by air strikes in the last few days.

I'm skeptical about all such claims, truth is the first casualty. But even if they can catch a few leaders above ground, the Hamas army is located 30 meters beneath the surface. It's impossible to beat such an army through aerial bombardment, and Israel knows that.

 

[PTK]

Not according to the Gospels.

You have clearly not read the Gospels.
If you are going to retail the "Jews killed Jesus" shit, then you can piss off, you bigot.

 

[phildwyer]

You have clearly not read the Gospels.
If you are going to retail the "Jews killed Jesus" shit, then you can piss off, you bigot.

I've read them. They say that the leaders of the Jews demanded that the Romans crucify Jesus. Matthew 27.25.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Although it would be a surprise if any Israeli soldiers were unarmed right now.

Apparently it was actually police, hence the armed element being pertinent info…

 

[Sasaferrato]

margaret hodge, the paedos' friend ‘Margaret Hodge ‘sorry’ as council she led told to investigate Savile abuse allegations’ her religion is irrelevant, it's her politics and she's a vile creature for reasons relating to her time as leader of islington council

That is appalling.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Oh fuck off. Your feeling and lack of knowledge are not analysis or understanding. And proper lol at prime real estate.

Just preserving this one.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

You could argue the same with 9/11 and all sorts of intelligence failures. Systems are flawed as they're run and overseen by humans, and there's already been some stuff written to explain some of the reasons why this might have happened.

I’d suggest there’s a difference here, the primary failure of intel in 9/11 wasn’t that they didn’t know this type of attack was coming it was the turf war between agencies like the CIA and FBI and the former not taking their agents seriously because they were women.

The failure over last weeks terrorism was Israel didn’t even know it was coming nor their allies like the US…

 

[Kid_Eternity]

99.9 % of the time it;s a cock up. Despite what they would have the world believe (and sadly what many on the left seem to sign up to bizarrely) the Israeli intelligence services or military aren't composed of super heroes. Just normal people who fuck up.

Bit like the CIA or GCHQ or any other organisation composed of people. It's a volume thing isn't it? Unlike in cop or spy programmes on the telly where there are only six characters and two story lines which turn out to intersect in the last episode. In the real world there are always a million moving parts of which 98% are not relevant. The trick is knowing the 2% that is before it's needed not afterwards. Apparently.

Indeed. People forget that humans are imperfect so their systems will have imperfections. Plus, power doesn’t equal perfect ability either, often the opposite…

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Wrong sort of Jew?