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Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
That's enough about the reputation of Sunak and Starmer though.
bcuster
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Under heavy bombing, Palestinians in Gaza move from place to place, only to discover nowhere is safe
Tens of thousands of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are packed into UN shelters as Israeli warplanes pound the tiny territory of 2.3 million people after their Hamas militant rulers launched an unprecedented weekend attack on Israel.
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Yossarian
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Under heavy bombing, Palestinians in Gaza move from place to place, only to discover nowhere is safe
Tens of thousands of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are packed into UN shelters as Israeli warplanes pound the tiny territory of 2.3 million people after their Hamas militant rulers launched an unprecedented weekend attack on Israel.
Hard to imagine a worse move for Israel's long-term security than traumatizing the 50% of the population that's under 14 this deeply
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
91% of children in gaza have ptsd I hear. Data from before this week obvs
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Trump breaks his silence.
www.theguardian.com
Biden White House condemns Trump’s ‘dangerous’ Israel-Hamas remarks
2024 Republican frontrunner called Hezbollah militant group ‘very smart’, prompting a stern reaction from the White House
Raheem
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Christ, we've woken up in a world where millions of Americans will change their view on the Middle East because of this rambling.Trump breaks his silence.
Biden White House condemns Trump’s ‘dangerous’ Israel-Hamas remarks
2024 Republican frontrunner called Hezbollah militant group ‘very smart’, prompting a stern reaction from the White House
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Trump breaks his silence.
Biden White House condemns Trump’s ‘dangerous’ Israel-Hamas remarks
2024 Republican frontrunner called Hezbollah militant group ‘very smart’, prompting a stern reaction from the White House
I can't really fault what he has said about Netanyahu, or Gallant to be honest.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
not-bono-ever
meh
Encircle the place, cut off their water and energy. whats next - Chucking bodies of plague victims into Gaza with a trebuchet ?
man this whole thing is horrendous. utterly horrendous across the board
man this whole thing is horrendous. utterly horrendous across the board
Gramsci
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Very good edtion of the Novara media show tonight. They had someone from the Isreali peace movement - Uri Weltmann of Standing Together.
There organisation is trying to work with both Palestinian and Jewish Israelis. Its about ordinary people rather than politicians. Working to oppose the right wing elements in Israeli society. Long term to work towards a just peace with a two state solution. Looks like lot of effort made to encourage both Palestinians and Jewish Israelis to work together.
He said on the present conflict that other countries politicians giving blanket support to this right wing Israeli government is not helping make the country more secure for ordinary Israelis. He thought the correct line to take was to condemn Hamas and condemn the actions of the Netanyahu government. Who have with their policies exacerbated tensions and now with the bombing of Gaza killing civilian Palestinians.
Particularly interesting in this opinion as an Israeli that the we stand by Israel uncritically line is not seen by him as helping make ordinary Israelis more secure now or in future.
Perhaps our politicians should listen to more Isreali voices than just Netanyahu.
Uri also talked about growing dislike of this government by ordinary Isrealis. Government politicians trying to attned funerals of those murdered by Hamas have been heckled. Many Isrealis want Ministers to resign.
Kind of think that perhaps Starmer and other politicians are making a mistake. And are mis reading Israeli public opinion long term.
Perhaps longer term it is not a mistake to condemn both Hamas and Netanyahu government actions And call for genuine move to resolving the conflict.
Also later in the programme pointed out that Starmers line on the bombing of Gaza is going to turn off Muslim voters off Labour. He might feel he has to do this to remove the stain of anti semitism from the party but he is making a mistake.
Well worth watching this episode.
There organisation is trying to work with both Palestinian and Jewish Israelis. Its about ordinary people rather than politicians. Working to oppose the right wing elements in Israeli society. Long term to work towards a just peace with a two state solution. Looks like lot of effort made to encourage both Palestinians and Jewish Israelis to work together.
He said on the present conflict that other countries politicians giving blanket support to this right wing Israeli government is not helping make the country more secure for ordinary Israelis. He thought the correct line to take was to condemn Hamas and condemn the actions of the Netanyahu government. Who have with their policies exacerbated tensions and now with the bombing of Gaza killing civilian Palestinians.
Particularly interesting in this opinion as an Israeli that the we stand by Israel uncritically line is not seen by him as helping make ordinary Israelis more secure now or in future.
Perhaps our politicians should listen to more Isreali voices than just Netanyahu.
Uri also talked about growing dislike of this government by ordinary Isrealis. Government politicians trying to attned funerals of those murdered by Hamas have been heckled. Many Isrealis want Ministers to resign.
Kind of think that perhaps Starmer and other politicians are making a mistake. And are mis reading Israeli public opinion long term.
Perhaps longer term it is not a mistake to condemn both Hamas and Netanyahu government actions And call for genuine move to resolving the conflict.
Also later in the programme pointed out that Starmers line on the bombing of Gaza is going to turn off Muslim voters off Labour. He might feel he has to do this to remove the stain of anti semitism from the party but he is making a mistake.
Well worth watching this episode.
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Humberto
Justice is order
As I see it you've got Israel holding hostages in response to Hamas taking hostages. But does Hamas, it's militaristic elements, give a fuck? Like, given what they are capable of, what are their aims now? Martyrdom?
What happens over the next few days will have great repercussions for decades. Israel has its enemies. The risk is a bad situation becoming worse for Israelis and Palestinians. I would hope Israel's Arab neighbours would assist, return the hostages, ceasefire. I realise that is probably laughably naive, but I think it's possible Hamas can be gotten at there with the American backing.
What happens over the next few days will have great repercussions for decades. Israel has its enemies. The risk is a bad situation becoming worse for Israelis and Palestinians. I would hope Israel's Arab neighbours would assist, return the hostages, ceasefire. I realise that is probably laughably naive, but I think it's possible Hamas can be gotten at there with the American backing.
I don't see this as significant or surprising. There has been a catastrophic intelligence/security failure but anyone replacing Netanyahu will be just as bad politically.
Aladdin
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If Iran and Turkey row in...maybe this is it
Israel has told 1.1 million people in the northern half of the Gaza strip to move to the southern half within 24 hours.
Is the plan to reduce the size of Gaza by 50%? This is horrible.
This is also insane from the perspective of Israeli security and the safety of Jewish people around the world. The Israeli government aren't acting rationally at all. Throwing a tantrum at the UN for saying demanding 1.1 million people move within 24 hrs is impossible.
JimW
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They posted social media video of them practicing breaching the border gates and assaulting a settlement: Hamas practiced in plain sight, posting video of mock attack weeks before border breach
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
It is very hard to see how this won't escalate beyond current areas involved. I think they'd be some toleration from the odd missile from the north, but anything more than that (such as Iran getting seriously involved) is likely to result in a US/others response. Also only takes one lone fast boat or other attack on the of US/UK warships in the area to catapult it all into another dimension.
We have this idiot trying to stoke up the tensions while he himself sun's it out in Qatar.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Former chief of Hamas calls for a global 'Day of Jihad' on Friday 13th
'[We must] head to the squares and streets of the Arab and Islamic world on Friday,' said Meshaal, who currently heads Hamas's diaspora office, in a recorded statement sent to Reuters.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Altho gaza a small place forcing hundreds of thousands of people short on food and water to move when it's hot (26⁰ or so) is imo going to lead to many deaths before enemy action is considered in part as they're not going to find shelter and the weather forecast not brilliant - on its own that's imo tantamount to condemning many elderly, unwell and young Palestinians to deathmake an impossible to complete order then blame the civilian population for the carnage that follows
very chilling.. plus if they leave it will become a security buffer zone
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
teqniq
DisMembered
Saw a vid of this a few days ago on X/Twitter but here is a reliable source:
www.hrw.org
Israel: White Phosphorus Used in Gaza, Lebanon
Israel’s use of white phosphorus in military operations in Gaza and Lebanon puts civilians at risk of serious and long-term injuries, Human Rights Watch said today in releasing a question and answer document on white phosphorus.
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