Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[teqniq]

Well that leaves no room for anyone else to get a word in edgewise:



i actually stopped listening.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

another thing about the electric in gaza is there'll be rather fewer people taking pictures of casualties there

Absolutely. Israel will have total control of the narrative once those backup batteries run out and people trapped in Gaza can't communicate with the likes of ch4 news. That's surely got to happen very soon?

 

[Ax^]

fighting Nazis .. reminds me of russian rhetoric for it actions in Ukraine's

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Also a reminder last night that there were claims of Israel using phosphorus. If indeed true, easy to get away with once the lights go out.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Maybe we'll get to the point where cunts like Biden, Sunak and Starmer are left extremely embarrassed for seemingly giving Israel the signal they can now do whatever the fuck they like in revenge. (But it won't be a point of celebration.)

 

[TopCat]

Maybe we'll get to the point where cunts like Biden, Sunak and Starmer are left extremely embarrassed for seemingly giving Israel the signal they can now do whatever the fuck they like in revenge. (But it won't be a point of celebration.)

In your dreams only

 

[TopCat]

I suspect with the attempts to equate Hamas with ISIS the Israelis are intending to deliberately kill most of the Gaza population.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Maybe we'll get to the point where cunts like Biden, Sunak and Starmer are left extremely embarrassed for seemingly giving Israel the signal they can now do whatever the fuck they like in revenge. (But it won't be a point of celebration.)

These creeps don’t do embarrassment: Starmer is a venal despicable lying toad, Sunak a millionaire tax evader and Biden a corrupt crook.

 

[teqniq]

Unroll of a thread by Evan Hill concerning the hostages taken by Hamas:

Thread by @evanhill on Thread Reader App

@evanhill: New: Hamas took at least 64 captives into the Gaza Strip during fighting that began Saturday, at least 49 of whom appeared to be civilians, nine of them children, according to a review of visual evidence...…

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Archived article:

Hamas took at least 64 captives into Gaza, visual evidence suggests

 

[SpookyFrank]

Absolutely. Israel will have total control of the narrative once those backup batteries run out and people trapped in Gaza can't communicate with the likes of ch4 news. That's surely got to happen very soon?

A friend of mine is in Gaza at the moment having got himself stranded there after going home to visit family. He's keeping himself busy trying to collate, translate and publish as much first-hand testimony as possible from inside Gaza. He's saying they've got power and reliable communications where they are.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Can I just say I'm fucking sick of those who say "but the Palestinians haven't lived under occupation for the last two decades"? I guess it depends on what your definition of occupation is. Maybe there's some technical definition of occupation that allows people to say they haven't, but to all intents and purposes they absolutely have. It is extremely dishonest/disingenuous.

 

[Idris2002]

Maybe we'll get to the point where cunts like Biden, Sunak and Starmer are left extremely embarrassed for seemingly giving Israel the signal they can now do whatever the fuck they like in revenge. (But it won't be a point of celebration.)

They've already got their response: "you approve of killing babies, fuck you".

 

[Pickman's model]

They've already got their response: "you approve of killing babies, fuck you".

The zionists have been killing babies, aye, and toddlers, and children of all other ages too. And they're damned good at it. The people who facilitated sabra and shatila have forgotten more about killing than the Palestinians have learned since 1948. This guff about civilians ignores the militarization of zionist society, it's not like an assault on Glastonbury or Reading. Much behaviour is learned and as I say upthread the Palestinians of all stripes have had good teachers about the sanctity of human life. The horror of the past week, the talk of Israelis formerly advocating peace now demanding war,shows how shallow much of the peace movement is within the zionist entity. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed in the year before this irruption onto zionist land but no notice is taken of that as a provocation. I don't know what moral universe the zionists and their allies live in but it seems to be one where might makes right, where the big battalions make the rules. Finkelstein should follow up his beyond chutzpah with beyond beyond chutzpah

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Can I just say I'm fucking sick of those who say "but the Palestinians haven't lived under occupation for the last two decades"? I guess it depends on what your definition of occupation is. Maybe there's some technical definition of occupation that allows people to say they haven't, but to all intents and purposes they absolutely have. It is extremely dishonest/disingenuous.

Oh, it's bloody insulting to any semi-intelligent person too.

 

[RD2003]

I went back to the Ukraine thread from 2014 around the time of the Union Building fire, as well as the Odessa massacre specific thread and I'm not sure it was quite as you described.

There were plenty of comments from Casually Red calling on Putin to send in the tanks, some nonsense from Kesher about how RT is a perfectly good source, (he subsequently got banned for being a nonce), a funny comment from Camouflage who sarcastically made fun of those who thought Adolf Putin was cooking it all up as a scheme to grab Ukrainian territory, some really bizarre stuff from spartacuslove (also since banned) denying the existence of Ukraine as a country at all and theorising that WW2 was one big Zionist conspiracy, all amidst a whole lot of sterling work from butchersapron and frogwoman (among others) demonstrating the prevalence of fascists on the anti-Maidan, pro-Russia side as well as within the ranks of Azov etc.

If anything has changed, it's almost totally been for the better.

Apart from those posters falling over themselves in the first period of the Ukraine war to more or less rehabilitate Azov as just another brave unit of the regular Ukraine army.

 

[teqniq]

FFS:

France orders ban on all pro-Palestinian protests

French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin looks to clamp down on antisemitism after Hamas’ terror attacks in Israel.

www.politico.eu

 

[Kid_Eternity]

This is quite an interview, zero engagement just ranting. Kamali did well to hold his composure:

 

[Pickman's model]

This is quite an interview, zero engagement just ranting. Kamali did well to hold his composure:

Yeh if you look upthread a mite we've seen this

 

[frogwoman]

UK government flying repatriation flights out of Israel now. Don't think they did this in previous wars

 

[Ax^]

Apart from those posters falling over themselves in the first period of the Ukraine war to more or less rehabilitate Azov as just another brave unit of the regular Ukraine army.

feel free to link to people falling over themselves

 

[Kid_Eternity]

This looks strong, it’ll probably end up being used in the humanitarian response to come.

UK to deploy Royal Navy ships to Middle East to 'bolster security'

Two ships, surveillance aircraft, helicopters and a detachment of Royal Marines are being dispatched.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[frogwoman]

This looks strong, it’ll probably end up being used in the humanitarian response to come.

UK to deploy Royal Navy ships to Middle East to 'bolster security'

Two ships, surveillance aircraft, helicopters and a detachment of Royal Marines are being dispatched.

www.bbc.co.uk

Someone in a signal chat said it could be to discourage other countries from getting involved against Israel.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

"pledging weapons while urging restraint" WTF?

 

[frogwoman]

This may be because they know the response will be so extreme they want to stop other countries retaliating.

 

[teqniq]

Says the man who showed no regard for Palestinian refugees in Syria. He has no shame whatsoever:

 

[Pickman's model]

Says the man who showed no regard for Palestinian refugees in Syria. He has no shame whatsoever:

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He's one ophthalmologist I wouldn't want taking a look at my eyes

 

[Sweet FA]

Why are their deaths not included in the counting?

"Human animals" don't count?

One of the things I'm finding most frustrating in all this is people acting as though anyone criticising Israel is giving a thumbs up to Hamas' actions, it's such bullshit (gsv is getting some of this from his family)

A couple of insta accounts I follow (random surf/bike/comedy ones in the main) have gone further. They're noting names of celebs etc who don't say anything supportive of Israel and putting it out to all their followers with lines saying things like "We'll remember" or printing lists of celebs who've not said anything with titles like "Noted".

 

[Elohim]

Shit's getting real now with pics on WhatsApp of a young cousin of gsv in her army fatigues in an impromptu dorm.

I'm feeling a bit sick at the thought of what is going to follow for the Palestinian people, expecting the absolute worst.

Palestinians are going to be slaughtered. Even British troops are over there now.

Wish there was a happy ending but this will drag so many different countries in to this.

 

[Pickman's model]

Palestinians are going to be slaughtered. Even British troops are over there now.

Wish there was a happy ending but this will drag so many different countries in to this.

What, you think this is the general war about to kick off?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Even British troops are over there now.

You have a link to support that claim?