Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
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Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
for motivated read murderous. yeh they'll be pretty gingered up now. let's see how they are after the fighting starts
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
every munition that goes to the zionists is one less piece of weaponry for the ukrainians
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
The merkava was supposed to be the ultimate tank from the survivability point of view. Hamas knocked one out with what looked like a bargain basement drone.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tanks aren't at their best in urban warfare
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
At Grozny in 1994 the Chechens had a great time using the Russian APCs for target practice.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I think as Ukraine and Israel have different needs there may not be much overlap in terms of what is supplied. It is a question of the dollar tag attached to each bit of hardware I expect.
Plumdaff
joy in people
Is not that Gazans wouldn't go back, it's that they'd never be able to go back. If most Gazans leave, Israel will take over Gaza. They'd rather die. The tragedy is the current Israeli government is uping the ante on that hideous choice exponentially at the moment.
The Western world, including our government and our opposition is watching the run-up to a genocide and fanning the flames.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think the air defence stuff and certainly the artillery shells that're going to the zionists is something the ukrainians would like 'Planes have already taken off': U.S. sends Israel air defense, munitions after Hamas attack
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Starry Wisdom
by no means. the western world, including our nefandous government and vile 'opposition' seek active engagement in this particular debacle
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Seems like an odd way of allocating things.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what would you suggest the americans do, adopt the wisdom of solomon?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Ah, I didn't realise you were suggesting it was a good idea.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
an update from relief web, part of the un organization for the coordination of humanitarian affairs Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #5 - occupied Palestinian territory
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i didn't realise it was a good idea
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
The Merkava actually has a point-defence system that can take out incoming missiles, I imagine it wouldn't be very effective if it was switched off and the crew were chilling out and drinking coffee which is what I suspect might have happened. One of the main reasons why the Hamas raid was so successful was that the IDF was caught with its pants down, their own arrogance and their belief that Hamas was effectively powerless was their greatest weakness.
Hamas took out one the last time there was a major ground assault by mining the road, I suspect they will do the same plus no matter how good the PDS might be firing a missile at it from near point blank range out of a house window is probably going to defeat it. The IDF is going to lose tanks in a full ground war but it won't be that many out of an inventory of thousands. I don't think there's any doubt that the IDF is ready and willing to accept casualities.
There's plenty for everyone now's a good time to be an arms manufacturer isn't it?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
No, there isn't plenty for everyone as you'll find out should the big one kick off earlier than planned
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If this doesn't lead to a wider war in the me it won't be because of the zionists
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
The IAF has bombed Syria quite a few times in recent years and the Syrians haven't done jack shit about it, Assad is more interested in maintaining his grip on power than anything else. It's not impossible it might escalate but other than Hezbollah who might it drag in? Russia has its hands full elsewhere, getting dragged into this might be the final straw that breaks the camel's back.
China has no dog in this fight, Besides either side is far more likely to be pro-Israel rather than pro-Palestinian. The Palestinians have always had a problem in that they've no real value to anyone else's geopolitical ambitions. The Arabs used to find them useful as a distraction for their own people but even that is less important than it used to be.
China has no dog in this fight, Besides either side is far more likely to be pro-Israel rather than pro-Palestinian. The Palestinians have always had a problem in that they've no real value to anyone else's geopolitical ambitions. The Arabs used to find them useful as a distraction for their own people but even that is less important than it used to be.
You're obsessed with this big one of yours, you are going to be very disappointed come New Years Day 2026.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
The people that the world forgot.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
You're sounding very dwyerish
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Had an Israeli friend over last night, she's obvs against Netanyahu and says that there's a lot of anger there rn because the IDF were protecting religious settlers from reprisals by Palestinians after they attacked a village in the west bank rather than focusing on what was happening at the border with Gaza.
She lived in Israel until was 6 but has lived in the UK for most of her life and said the last time she went back to Jerusalem it felt much more dominated by religious extremists and less tolerant and diverse than previously. I know that's a relative term when it comes to Israel but the atmosphere sounds as if it was very threatening.
She lived in Israel until was 6 but has lived in the UK for most of her life and said the last time she went back to Jerusalem it felt much more dominated by religious extremists and less tolerant and diverse than previously. I know that's a relative term when it comes to Israel but the atmosphere sounds as if it was very threatening.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's something we have covered at length on the ukraine thread. the americans have given the ukrainians a fuckton - $40bn+ - of weaponry. the ukrainians are firing off shells and missiles faster than they can be replaced. there is some concern in washington that their own armed forces don't have enough for if push comes to shove. having made the choice to send stuff to israel as well, it isn't going to ease things. i suspect we will find the zionists matter more to washington than the ukrainians.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i have signalled for some years that great power competition isn't something from yesteryear. and frankly thus far events are confirming that the united states and china are getting on increasingly poorly, that there are fears of war, and that it could embroil us here in the uk too - not simply in being affected by its repercussions but also an active party to such a conflict, through the submarine alliance with australia, through the daft idea to send naval forces east of suez again (east of dover is bad enough) and because we've fuckwits in government who can't see a scrap without wanting a piece of the action.
if we get through to the 2027 chinese communist party congress and the reaffirmation of xi jinping as paramount leader, chosen of heaven, without the shit hitting the fan no one will be happier than i.
PTK
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JimW
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The stories out of Jerusalem just before all this blew up was of Orthodox extremists spitting on Christians there.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Thanks for that. There's a clip in it of the taking out of the merkava tank I mentioned, and which MickiQ said (legitimately) might have been the result of the crew being asleep at the wheel, or leaving it unattended. Well, in that clip, it's traversing its gun, so there must have been at least one crew member awake at the wheel.
As the clip says, surprise only works once - but you can also have multiple different surprises.
gosub
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Israeli gov't responsible for Hamas massacre, Netanyahu must resign
An overwhelming majority of 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country's leadership.
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