Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Gramsci
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The boycotts are spreading and can only get stronger with publicity like this
Ken Loach and Mike Leigh resign as patrons of London cinema over Israeli film festival screening
Loach said it was ‘simply unacceptable’ that the cinema is hosting the Seret film festivalwww.theguardian.com
Not totally happy with this.
I've seem some Israeli film and its not all cheerleading for Zionism. Quite the opposite in fact.
Also been watching Fauda on Netflix. A popular Israeli series. Sometimes watching film/ docs and tv series from other countries can give more insight into them.
I don't think people imo are that easily brainwashed and need to be safeguarded from certain media.
Economic boycotts/ refusing weapon sales/ ending economic trade agreements I all agree with.
And this is old local independent cinema in area of London with Jewish population.
Gramsci
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This is good example of economic boycott
www.middleeasteye.net
Listing holiday accommodation on land stolen from Palestinians.
To be fair Bookings.com did get a lot of pressure from both sides. Initial compromise they made was a warning on site about accomodation on occupied West Bank.
Led to rather hilarious , if it didn't badly affect Palestinians, twitter from Netanyahu few years back giving Bookings.com a history lesson
Judea / Samaria - his name for occupied West Bank were Jewish. And have been for thousands of years. So how dare they warn people this was occupied land. Netanyahu the good Zionist he is thought he'd set this straight with this European company
Zionists are a joke. If what they said did not have such terrible consequences for the indigenous people they evict.
The Netanyahu piece is in this Electronic Intifada piece.
electronicintifada.net
Article also points out the double standard re Ukraine and Palestine.
With Bookings.com and Airhub withdrawing listing for Russia quickly.
This never applied to illegally occupied land in West Bank.
What this shows is how Zionists regard this land as theirs. And a two state solution was never on the cards in reality.
Rights groups file complaint against Booking.com for listing Israeli settlements
Dutch NGO Somo reported finding at least 70 listings on Booking.com in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank
www.middleeasteye.net
Listing holiday accommodation on land stolen from Palestinians.
To be fair Bookings.com did get a lot of pressure from both sides. Initial compromise they made was a warning on site about accomodation on occupied West Bank.
Led to rather hilarious , if it didn't badly affect Palestinians, twitter from Netanyahu few years back giving Bookings.com a history lesson
Judea / Samaria - his name for occupied West Bank were Jewish. And have been for thousands of years. So how dare they warn people this was occupied land. Netanyahu the good Zionist he is thought he'd set this straight with this European company
Zionists are a joke. If what they said did not have such terrible consequences for the indigenous people they evict.
The Netanyahu piece is in this Electronic Intifada piece.
Holiday in illegal settlements, but not Russia, says Booking.com
Dutch agency’s warning over settlement destinations does not go far enough.
electronicintifada.net
Article also points out the double standard re Ukraine and Palestine.
With Bookings.com and Airhub withdrawing listing for Russia quickly.
This never applied to illegally occupied land in West Bank.
What this shows is how Zionists regard this land as theirs. And a two state solution was never on the cards in reality.
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CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Reminds me of an incident at Conway Hall years ago.
They had booked out their main hall to a Moslem group - but somehow it became apparent that women attendees were being segregated and made to sit in the gallery. The chair of Conway Hall was sent for - having to drive in from Lewisham - and he took chairs action and closed the meeting.
Seemed a bit odd to me that Conway Hall took the booking at all, after all they are humanists and do not subscribe to religion.
Their free speech ethic prevailed - until the straw that broke the camel's back was not treating women equally.
Here is Jewish News by the way Anti-Israel protesters deface historic London cinema - Jewish News
The person I would love to hear from is Daniel Barenboim the Israeli musician who has invested many years trying to build community between Israelis and Palestinians on the back of his friendship with Edward Said. Of course Barenboim is 81, and only normally makes comments when he is apt to lecture the audience of his West-Eastern Divan orchestra after an encore or two.
The Founders
west-eastern-divan.org
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Yeah, I'm sceptical at best about this sort of thing. The effect on the ISR govt is negligible at best, while the potential for blowback on the Jewish community should at least be considered. . .
"We must do something, this is something, therefore we must do this."
"Have you considered Masterly Inactivity, prime minister?"
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
That this is now so obvious that even Western governments are starting to recognise it will probably be what dooms the current Israeli state.
Fauda is excellent although a few years old now. In looking up the details as to when it was made I came across this from the Amazon site:
"Fauda is an Israeli-produced TV drama which has garnered praise for its realistic depiction of military tactics alongside it's empathetic portrayal of Palestinians, militant or otherwise. BBC Arabic joins the production of the hotly anticipated second season, and tries to understand how it might one day pave the way for a dialogue between the two sides built on mutual understanding and compassion."
We seem a long way from any kind of mutual understanding these days, unfortunately.
AnnaKarpik
Queen of all she surveys
From the Guardian article - "The festival is co-sponsored by the Israeli government via the Israeli embassy in London, creating a direct link between these cinemas, the festival screenings and Israeli policies.”
With sponsorship like that and at a time like this, I would be astonished if anything that was remotely critical of Israel or supportive of the Palestinians will be shown.
AnnaKarpik
Queen of all she surveys
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Gramsci
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Scrolling through whats on offer this looked interesting.
Telling Nonie - Seret International Film Festival
And I would be interested in the Israeli doc on 7th October.
Palestinian flag to be flown at Leinster House next Tuesday.
www.thejournal.ie
Palestinian flag to be flown at Leinster House next Tuesday
Previous requests for the flag to be flown on the complex had been refused.
www.thejournal.ie
Gramsci
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I was watching it and need to go back on finish the first series. It was a hit in Israel. Pulls no punches. The undercover team seem to me to represent present day Israel. Watching it from a non Israeli standpoint and what comes across is what a schizophrenic country Israel is. Part of middle east yet alien to it. There is one bit in first series where main character loses it and wanders in the Palestinian area. Eventually having sex with a Palestinian women who believes him to be Palestinian. Whole scene shows demonstrates the split in Israel between being a unique state but also unconsciously being linked to the Arab world. What also struck me is that Jewishness isn't really part of it. These are Israelis and how they navigate living with their own history and push pull attraction to rest of Arab world.
Made me think that Israeli identity should be treated as such and not perpetually linked into rest of Jewish world.
And reminded me of reading Paul Gilroy ( not that I understand all of what he says) that identities are not fixed, change over time and are often hybrid identities.
If some sort of way an Israeli identity can live in a middle east context and that be primary context. Rather than the Zionist project as such that depends on support in Jewish diaspora. A very idealised version of Israeli state. Rather than something that could change over time.
Thinking aloud her rather than making judgements.
Id recommend the series as one of the better things on Netflix.
Gramsci
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Israel is run by a bunch of Zionist clowns.
Here is response to Spain recognising Palestine.
Israeli minister tells Spain to 'study al-Andalus' as he targets Jerusalem consulate
This joker in Israeli government tries to give a Spaniard a lecture about their own history. And comes across as an idiot.
On Yolande Diaz- deputy prime minister of Spain:
That told her
Idiots like him are being given weapons by the West. The people who are ignorant are Zionists like him.
Must say in this country Starmer wouldn't be having someone like Yolande Diaz in his government if he gets elected. More likely would have her deselected for her comments. Difference between the centre left in Spain and here.
There if you are centre left supporting Palestinians isn't controversial.
Here is response to Spain recognising Palestine.
Israeli minister tells Spain to 'study al-Andalus' as he targets Jerusalem consulate
This joker in Israeli government tries to give a Spaniard a lecture about their own history. And comes across as an idiot.
On Yolande Diaz- deputy prime minister of Spain:
That told her
Idiots like him are being given weapons by the West. The people who are ignorant are Zionists like him.
Must say in this country Starmer wouldn't be having someone like Yolande Diaz in his government if he gets elected. More likely would have her deselected for her comments. Difference between the centre left in Spain and here.
There if you are centre left supporting Palestinians isn't controversial.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Decent Israeli films I saw a good while ago were Avanti Popolo made in the early 80s and set during the 1967 war, and Cup Final, made in the early 90s and set during the 1982 invasion of Lebanon. Both have strong internationalist and anti-war themes. Can't imagine such films being made these days.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There's a huge difference, which is that PSOE is in a coalition with a further left grouping, Sumar. The equivalent here in the UK would be a Starmer-led Labour in coalition with a Corbyn-led left group.
There are many parallels between Spain and the UK politically, I think. Both have long leftist traditions. Both have a big and powerful conservative rightist tradition who are despised by many on the left - PP are as despised there as the Tories are here.
But the UK's electoral system doesn't allow for there to be two parties nominally 'of the left'. Really, Labour should split, and with a better electoral system, some kind of left coalition similar to that in Spain could easily win many elections here. As in Spain with PP, the Tories could be the biggest party by seats but left stranded even when they aren't self-destructing. As it is, Labour will have got in twice since 1979 only when the Tories have imploded.
Ireland has been told to expect "severe consequences "... for recognising a Palestinian state.
I wonder what Israel will do to Ireland?
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Israel accuses Palestinians routinely of being terrorists. I've yet to see a clear, universally agreed definition of terrorism, but sometimes it would seem to refer to non-state participants only. If Palestine were to be recognised as a state then it would become more difficult to differentiate the barbaric acts of Hamas from the barbaric acts of the IDF.
Does that make sense, or have I missed summat?
Does that make sense, or have I missed summat?
Good point. It certainly would make the semantics more complex.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You're not the only person who hasn't seen a clear and universally agreed definition of terrorism.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
1997, 2001 and 2005 traditionally seen as three times.
Gramsci
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The other problem is that Israel itself was founded on acts of what can be defined as terrorism and human rights abuses. With those who were leading this ending up with senior roles in Israel state.
Menachem Begin and David Ben Gurion would be candidates now for ICC for example.
teqniq
DisMembered
Interview with Karim Khan of the ICC
ICC prosecutor: UK didn’t blitz the IRA — Israel needs that restraint
ICC prosecutor: UK didn’t blitz the IRA — Israel needs that restraint
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
yep that's what I keep thinking of.
And what would be the reaction if Israel was attacked and bombed by, say, Iran, and there were 20,000+ dead Israeli civilians? Those would be war crimes, too, so why isn't there the same reaction among western governments about 20,000+ dead Palestinian civilians?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There's perhaps a difference between Ireland, which was brought into union with Britain in 1801, which sent more than 100 mps to Westminster until 1918 - and the six counties - and the gaza strip. The zionists have never had the motivation the British did not to slaughter large numbers of Irish people,when you see how the killing of comparatively small numbers of people at croke Park, bachelor's walk, and of course in derry played out. I don't find the analogy of the ira useful as there's always been a part of the population of Ireland/Northern Ireland who have desired to remain within the Union and not just a protestant part. Where is the equivalent in gaza or the west bank?
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
The conclusion of Judge Tladi’s declaration in ICC order:
This is horrific
www.aljazeera.com
At least 35 killed in Israeli strike on Rafah after Hamas rocket attacks
The Israeli missiles struck tents in an area to the west of Rafah city, which was supposed to be safe from attack.
ska invita
back on the other side
BBC as well...I expect every paper
Cunts top to bottom
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