Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Gramsci
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Surveillance and interference: Israel’s covert war on the ICC exposed
Top Israeli officials have overseen a nine-year operation targeting the ICC and Palestinian rights groups to thwart a war crimes probe.www.972mag.com
Haven't had a chance to read it yet. It came up today
Read it now.
As its Guardian and 972 I trust it. Due to its nature understandable sources did not want to be named.
A few choice bits,
Shows Israeli state knew its occupation of West Bank and methods used would not stand much scrutiny in international law.
Of course holding Israel State to the same standards as other democracies is anti semitic
Palestinian human rights groups were effective in collecting evidence of abuses. This led Benny Gantz then Defence minister to ban these groups as terrorist organisations in 2021
As the head of one of these organisations said,
This is the thing about Israel state. It peddles the myth that Palestinians are somehow violent terrorists. Get this at work. Friend at work said to me last week. All those people in middle east are tribal and killing each other is what they do. This view that Palestinians are incapable of peace.
Palestinians have kept alive a civil society that tries to use peaceful and legal means to further their cause.
And they are good at it. To good.
Any time Palestinians use non violent action and the avenues presented by international law Israel state comes down on them like a ton of bricks.
TBF Israeli State was built on violence and is in effect a militarised society. No surprise ex IDF end up as politicians. Its not that Palestinians are inherently violent. Its the Israeli state that is.
Then Israel society wonders why they use terrorist methods.
A practical suggestion imo would be for western governments like mine to support Palestinian civil society.
Two things.
Support Palestinians using international legal system
Support Palestinian civil society in its BDS campaign for example. Help build and support Palestinian civil society in its campaigns against the Zionist State oppressors.
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Gramsci
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When I left at 6.40 the south bound traffic had stopped.
Police were trying to keep north bound lane open.
And telling people to move to off the road. Seemed pointless to me. So many people arriving that Whitehall was gradually being blocked. Not on purpose but due to the massive crowd.
Who were good natured as usual.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Fucking Labour.
ska invita
back on the other side
sorry ive not been keeping up with the thread, apols if already posted
CNN
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"The temporary pier constructed by the US military to transport aid into Gaza broke apart and sustained damage in heavy seas on Tuesday in a major blow to the American-led effort to create a maritime corridor for humanitarian supplies into the war-torn enclave, the Pentagon said."
"The pier, which cost $320 million, had only begun operating on May 17 when heavy seas forced the maritime shipments to stop one week later on May 24, two days before part of the pier disconnected. It is unclear when shipments will resume."
CNN
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"The temporary pier constructed by the US military to transport aid into Gaza broke apart and sustained damage in heavy seas on Tuesday in a major blow to the American-led effort to create a maritime corridor for humanitarian supplies into the war-torn enclave, the Pentagon said."
"The pier, which cost $320 million, had only begun operating on May 17 when heavy seas forced the maritime shipments to stop one week later on May 24, two days before part of the pier disconnected. It is unclear when shipments will resume."
zedr
new but not *that* new
northbound traffic was blocked a bit before 7 as the demo took the whole road. looked like an ambulance needed to get through and there was good organization by the demo to let it through, but turned out it was treating someone on the edge of the demo. looks like cops swooped in and began kettling and arresting people who stuck around later though I haven't been able to find out how many people were arrested.
zedr
new but not *that* new
obviously wasn't looking too hard. 40 arrested. Three London police hurt as pro-Palestine protesters breach deadline – Met
Smangus
comatose at a desk
Another US Mulberry down the pan.sorry ive not been keeping up with the thread, apols if already posted
CNN
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"The temporary pier constructed by the US military to transport aid into Gaza broke apart and sustained damage in heavy seas on Tuesday in a major blow to the American-led effort to create a maritime corridor for humanitarian supplies into the war-torn enclave, the Pentagon said."
"The pier, which cost $320 million, had only begun operating on May 17 when heavy seas forced the maritime shipments to stop one week later on May 24, two days before part of the pier disconnected. It is unclear when shipments will resume."
Towed to Israel for repairs- so that could take a while
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
US state department falsified report absolving Israel on Gaza aid – ex-official
Stacy Gilbert, who quit post as senior adviser on Tuesday, says report went against consensus of experts
and, more hopefully,
teqniq
DisMembered
A falsified report stating that Israel is not responsible for blocking or impeding the delivery of humanitarian aid (if the report had admitted that the US would have been bound under it's own legislation to halt arms deliveries). Consequently another state department official has resigned in protest:
www.theguardian.com
US state department falsified report absolving Israel on Gaza aid – ex-official
Stacy Gilbert, who quit post as senior adviser on Tuesday, says report went against consensus of experts
ska invita
back on the other side
Public opinion in Israel
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Samantha power could reissue her book, 'a problem from hell: America and the age of genocide', with a new chapterA falsified report stating that Israel is not responsible for blocking or impeding the delivery of humanitarian aid (if the report had admitted that the US would have been bound under it's own legislation to halt arms deliveries). Consequently another state department official has resigned in protest:
US state department falsified report absolving Israel on Gaza aid – ex-official
Stacy Gilbert, who quit post as senior adviser on Tuesday, says report went against consensus of experts
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Is there a source for this claim?
maomao
普費斯
The source is mentioned in the tweet:
1. Views of the Israel-Hamas war
Majorities in Israel view Netanyahu negatively and worry about the length and spread of the war. Views of Israel’s military response in Gaza are more divided.
www.pewresearch.org
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Thanks. Can't see that from the tweet, maybe something my end blocking scripts.The source is mentioned in the tweet:
1. Views of the Israel-Hamas war
Majorities in Israel view Netanyahu negatively and worry about the length and spread of the war. Views of Israel’s military response in Gaza are more divided.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Yeah. People there are being told a very different version of events.It doesn't really surprise me (well it does, but ...). Occasionally seeing the English translation of Israeli papers/tv news explains most of it I think. The Sun and the Mail are nice cuddly woke news sources in comparison
cloudyday
caput mortuum
They have the same access to social media as everyone else.Yeah. People there are being told a very different version of events.
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
My friend works for the WHO in Geneva. She tells me she is in one of their meetings, UN there too. Currently voting to whether they recognise Palestine as a member state. I don't read these big threads, but thought this would be of interest to those that do
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
The meeting has been going on for 2 weeks 
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
I can give you the full story in 3 parts
ska invita
back on the other side
OCCUPATION
“Israeli troops are fortifying a strategic corridor that carves Gaza in two, building bases, taking over civilian structures and razing homes, according to satellite imagery and other visual evidence — an effort that military analysts and Israeli experts say is part of a large-scale project to reshape the Strip and entrench the Israeli military presence there.”
Adam Tooze on the future
"I have to admit, when I first saw the image, I thought it must be a hoax.
Skyscrapers, solar power plants, container ships, oil rigs off shore - a vision of idealized urban and rural settlement, generated by AI, picturing a wealthy, intensively -managed city state - think Singapore or Abu Dhabi - but with a vaguely familiar geography.
No it is not a hoax. This is the Gaza strip in 2035, as envisioned by the Office of Israeli Prime Minister of Netanyahu, eight months into a brutal war of retaliation against the Hamas attack of October 7th. On the land cleared by the displacement of millions and the killing of over 35,000 Palestinians, on a densely populated urban space that the IDF has reduced to rubble and famine, Netanyahu’s planners and their AI graphics imagine a 141 square mile free trade zone. This would bracket Gaza between the El-Arish Port to Gaza’s south in Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula and Sderot, an Israeli city north of Gaza.
First circulated internally in December 2023, the Israeli government went public with its long-range plans in early May 2024, as it faced pressure to spell out the end game. What it envisions is not the kind of the emergency reconstruction prepared by the UN, which right now is focused on a decade-long timeline for clearing unexploded ordinance and 37 millions of tons of rubble, costed to the tune of $40–50 billion. Netanyahu’s Gaza 2035 is a plan, to complete the erasure of Gaza. In it place the Israeli government envisions a mega-rich, clone of a globalized commercial and industrial city, somewhere between Chicago - what historian William Cronon described as Nature’s Metropolis - and Dubai."
adamtooze.substack.com
“Israeli troops are fortifying a strategic corridor that carves Gaza in two, building bases, taking over civilian structures and razing homes, according to satellite imagery and other visual evidence — an effort that military analysts and Israeli experts say is part of a large-scale project to reshape the Strip and entrench the Israeli military presence there.”
Adam Tooze on the future
"I have to admit, when I first saw the image, I thought it must be a hoax.
Skyscrapers, solar power plants, container ships, oil rigs off shore - a vision of idealized urban and rural settlement, generated by AI, picturing a wealthy, intensively -managed city state - think Singapore or Abu Dhabi - but with a vaguely familiar geography.
No it is not a hoax. This is the Gaza strip in 2035, as envisioned by the Office of Israeli Prime Minister of Netanyahu, eight months into a brutal war of retaliation against the Hamas attack of October 7th. On the land cleared by the displacement of millions and the killing of over 35,000 Palestinians, on a densely populated urban space that the IDF has reduced to rubble and famine, Netanyahu’s planners and their AI graphics imagine a 141 square mile free trade zone. This would bracket Gaza between the El-Arish Port to Gaza’s south in Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula and Sderot, an Israeli city north of Gaza.
First circulated internally in December 2023, the Israeli government went public with its long-range plans in early May 2024, as it faced pressure to spell out the end game. What it envisions is not the kind of the emergency reconstruction prepared by the UN, which right now is focused on a decade-long timeline for clearing unexploded ordinance and 37 millions of tons of rubble, costed to the tune of $40–50 billion. Netanyahu’s Gaza 2035 is a plan, to complete the erasure of Gaza. In it place the Israeli government envisions a mega-rich, clone of a globalized commercial and industrial city, somewhere between Chicago - what historian William Cronon described as Nature’s Metropolis - and Dubai."
Chartbook 284 Gaza: "the decade after" - the surreal geoeconomic imaginary of Netanyahu's "economic peace"
I have to admit, when I first saw the image, I thought it must be a hoax.
adamtooze.substack.com
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Latest update from Geneva
Gramsci
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Thanks. Interesting articles
The way Israel state/ IDF are building infrastructure and roads in Gaza as part of longer term control reminds me of reading of the Arab revolt and way British put it down in 1930s
In Jaffa they did some "Urban planning" and blew up sections of it. Supposedly to improve it ( see Pathe showreel) but really to subdue the Palestinian revolt which was making full use of the warren of old streets and alleys.
"Purging the area with dynamite" is how the newsreel puts it.
Road building infrastructure projects were a part of way British gained control of areas which were difficult to manage in the Arab revolt.
There is a lot I would say that the Zionists learnt from British in how to control populations who were hostile in colonial situations.
Showreel argues this was all done to benefit Palestine.
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