Glastonbury 2008
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beesonthewhatnow
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bouncer_the_dog
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You always say that WoW, but its not the case. But I will try and put my point of view across in a way you may find more acceptable.
The festival of Glastonbury itself is one that I have had many incredible experiences of. When I first went in '95 at a young age it blew me away. When I went again in 99 (I think) it was still awesome. After 2002 it changed - as has been discussed a lot. There are many good things about the festival that are repeated here often, like the breadth of acts, the freedom of being on one big site. And at that time and also post-super fence Glastonbury symbolised, to me, all sorts of positive things and beliefs.
Personally I think the headline acts are really important, lots of people here say they are not. A couple of times I've been and never seen a headliner. And I have seen some great performances at the main stages. So I don't dispute the quality of festivals musical entertainment.
But as I have said and many other people have said I think the festivals got problems. I think its been guilty of Hubris. With not only the marketing and its media frenzy but also with the way it treats the punters and how it runs itself. And now we are seeing the results.
But I have always thought that if it is going to go commercial it needs to do it properly. I thought that in 2002 and still think it now. Maybe after this year it will improve itself. Maybe it will be forced to change further to get where it should be. I hope it does. I fundementally like the festival and want it to be good. But after last year I am fed up with it.
OK cheers for that, that's actually a really fairminded post ... 
ML etc.
ML etc.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
Figures you'd like him, to be honest
Cloth-eared cunt.
Oh noes!
What am I to do with all this sudden abuse from you after all these years of pretending to be a mate?
Shit, Dub, maybe I'll stick a load of people on ignore and get the mods to change my name.. Yeah that'll work...
bouncer_the_dog
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bouncer_the_dog
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OK cheers for that, that's actually a really fairminded post ...
ML etc.
ty WoW I know you are a nice chap and don't want to fuck you off too much
Figures you'd like him, to be honest
Cloth-eared cunt.
I like Manu Chao as well, and so does Tort and so do a few others .... Eurohippies or cloth eared cunts? You decide!
ty WoW I know you are a nice chap and don't want to fuck you off too much
Fair dos. It's no secret here that I have got annoyed with your pronouncements over the past few weeks (months?) about Glastonbury but that's not especially personal (well not mainly it hasn't been
)More that what you were saying seemed to echo an enormous chorus of negative, ignorant, inaccurate, judgemental, generalising shit about the whole shebang all over cyberspace and in the mainstream media. I know you know more about it than the ignorant finger pointers do, but you did drive your disillusionment to extremes!
Glastonbury polarises and divides opinions hugely, more by miles than any other festival does. It gets a lot of fanatical positivity (guilty, at times
) and almost as much embittered hatred and axe grinding cynicism. Both extremes drive out a rational balanced take .... no doubt I contribute to that at times but at least I try to be accurate and knowledgeable about the whole monster with all its magic and all its faults.Maybe. I think sometimes they aren't as quick to make changes as many of us would like. The Dance tent arguably arrived many years later than it should have done, the fence (and associated crime) was left until the festival hit breaking point, and there's probably countless more examples we could all come up with.
They do seem to listen though. Althought it's a small point, Emily was actually sounding quite apologetic when she was talking the other day about seating and shelter. Michael made a personal apology about the coaches last year.
In that way, I think - scale aside - Glastonbury has much more in common with the smaller festivals than the other 'nearly as big' ones. The people at the top really care.
Whether, in Glastonbury's case, they care enough, or about the right things, or in a timely enough manner, is I guess a matter of opinion.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
Oh, it would be disloyal of me to spell it out, after all, none of his real "mates" did when the tide was against him...
Private Storm
Smell The Glove
As much as I hate to go near the original topic p ), I'm going this year with about 10 mates. I missed last year for various reasons and wouldn't miss it this time round for the world. I actually like the thought that the tickets aren't selling so well; I'd be pretty happy to see 10/20,000 people less there to be honest. Won't happen though, any spare tickets will be flogged to the death/last minute - it IS a business after all.
Line up so far does nothing for me so far, but (to coin a Glasto cliche), it's not about the music eh? However, I could go with this 10 mates to any old shit-tip (V anyone?) and still have a good time.
p ), I'm going this year with about 10 mates. I missed last year for various reasons and wouldn't miss it this time round for the world. I actually like the thought that the tickets aren't selling so well; I'd be pretty happy to see 10/20,000 people less there to be honest. Won't happen though, any spare tickets will be flogged to the death/last minute - it IS a business after all.Line up so far does nothing for me so far, but (to coin a Glasto cliche), it's not about the music eh? However, I could go with this 10 mates to any old shit-tip (V anyone?) and still have a good time.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
As much as I hate to go near the original topic
Line up so far does nothing for me so far, but (to coin a Glasto cliche), it's not about the music eh? However, I could go with this 10 mates to any old shit-tip (V anyone?) and still have a good time.
Good stuff. Do us a favour though, only urinate in 330ml plastic bottles.
That way you can exercise your democratic vote against Jay Z via the age old medium of piss-bottle-lobbing.
I'll do my best to arrange the bilge trucks via sat-nav.
Good luck comrade.
Private Storm
Smell The Glove
Don't get me wrong, I shall be smuggling in glass bottles for that part of the event.
half_eaten_arm
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just registerd last night with my brother, havent got my ref number!!....how long do they normally take, can just see it selling out now before i get my photo approved.
david dissadent
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Dont worry there are tens of thousands of tickets left. It should take a day or two to check register.
half_eaten_arm
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no worries, just got my ticket now. didnt think i'd get a ticket two weeks after they were avaliable
david dissadent
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Not really, on one of the other forums someone had rung up a couple of days ago and been given an answer of 'tens of thousands'. Its a bit vague I know but it kinda chimes with what else has been said. I have a tiny wee 10% "will I crack?" at the back of my head so I keep an eye out.
Just had a quick check on the See website & it seems all categories of tickets are still available but I reckon very few of those now are ordinary festival only tickets. Didn’t Emily E say earlier this week that there were only 1,000 left? Most of what remain will be the 25,000 tickets which the festival has to sell as part of a coach package in order to meet the terms of the license and I can’t imagine there are too many people who would be willing to shell out for one of those at this stage after last year’s debacle.
What does everybody think, ditch the coach tickets alltogether next year? I thought the site was a bit crowded last year anyway, obviously not as bad as 2000 but less comfortable than the previous few years.
david dissadent
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I honestly expect it to be business as usual next year. I think alot of people were really put of by the mud and lessons will have been learnt. They may ditch the coach tickets but that will depend as much on long term contracts they have signed requiring a full allocation being bought rather than a reduced capacity.
I guess every promoter from 50 buggers in a pub and up faces the same dilema of not knowing how many will want tickets.
If they ditch the coach tickets altogether they'll have to go back to the 2005 capacity as the provision for the increase in numbers last year was that the extra 22,500 all had to arrive by coach. I think they're far more likely to play it safe by booking Radiohead and expect a return to the 2 hour sell out scenario.
2008 Map here by the way.
Summary of changes. Some are well known. My opinion in brackets.
- Shangri La replaces Lost Vagueness (Good)
- Trash City move next to Shangri La, in old Tipi Field (Good for the late area, maybe not Tipi owners)
- All Tipis consolidate south of the Park
- People parking in the East Car Parks enter through relocated PGD, via the 'new' (2007) camping areas, rather than straight in the middle. (Good, better spread of camp use)
- Bus station moves slightly, much larger space allocated, still feeding PGA. (Good. Shelter perhaps?)
- Family Camping moves to Big Ground (Can't see the logic... quizzing sources. Maybe bad. IMHO.)
- Southwest Fenceline extended, more camping. (Good, but odd that this was on the 2007 ops map and never happened).
- One off Tipi "village", outside fence, now designate as crew (Not sure who).
Other stuff, not confirmed by the map:
- Oxfam moved outside the fence. (My guess: A chunk now allocated for crew in "Big Ickle", previously non-fest.)
- Shangri La replaces Lost Vagueness (Good)
- Trash City move next to Shangri La, in old Tipi Field (Good for the late area, maybe not Tipi owners)
- All Tipis consolidate south of the Park
- People parking in the East Car Parks enter through relocated PGD, via the 'new' (2007) camping areas, rather than straight in the middle. (Good, better spread of camp use)
- Bus station moves slightly, much larger space allocated, still feeding PGA. (Good. Shelter perhaps?)
- Family Camping moves to Big Ground (Can't see the logic... quizzing sources. Maybe bad. IMHO.)
- Southwest Fenceline extended, more camping. (Good, but odd that this was on the 2007 ops map and never happened).
- One off Tipi "village", outside fence, now designate as crew (Not sure who).
Other stuff, not confirmed by the map:
- Oxfam moved outside the fence. (My guess: A chunk now allocated for crew in "Big Ickle", previously non-fest.)
Fascinating map if a little thin on detail ... ... one reassuring thing is that it looks essentially like Dragon and Williams haven't been encroached on ...
The've also moved the fence back uphill from the Park ... this was expected., but I'd not been all that clear til now where the new Tipi setup was going to be.
Tort/Paolo, was that Info Point now shown in Woodsies there before, or is it an extra one?
The've also moved the fence back uphill from the Park ... this was expected., but I'd not been all that clear til now where the new Tipi setup was going to be.
Tort/Paolo, was that Info Point now shown in Woodsies there before, or is it an extra one?
Ish.
People who went through the worst of that last year will have to have alot of faith to buy those.
however...
People who are new, or didn't do it, might not see a problem in it.
But, they were never popular tickets anyway, even before the chaos. People who like doing the coach thing would rather book an NX independently (I think). And for many other people, coach is just generally undesirable - train or car beats coach for comfort.
Fascinating map if a little thin on detail ... ... one reassuring thing is that it looks essentially like Dragon and Williams haven't been encroached on ...
The've also moved the fence back uphill from the Park ... this was expected., but I'd not been all that clear til now where the new Tipi setup was going to be.
Tort/Paolo, was that Info Point now shown in Woodsies there before, or is it an extra one?
Fenct uphill falls under the category of "where it was always meant to be last year"
Dragon/Williams encroachment has never been officially shown anyway, even on the ops map.
The Info you refer to is "PGA Info", yep, there last year. One of the two prime ones arguably, it was 24hr along with Ford.
