Shipman committed his crimes in Hyde which is only a small place.
Five-year-old April Jones kidnapped in Machynlleth, Mid-Wales
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Shipman committed his crimes in Hyde which is only a small place.
UrbaneFox
They've doubled in price
I wonder if part of Mark Bridger's 'thinking' would understand and agree with some of the sadistic violence above.
". .. A primal thing kicks in... kill, crush, destroy, nothing must threaten them. You can't stop it ...many are put off such thoughts when considering the punishment."
Dexter, I suspect that you are somewhere else in the same spectrum.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Hmm...I really doubt if anyone sick and vile enough to murder a little girl is at all deterred by the likely punishment if caught. Their minds simply don't focus that way.
UrbaneFox
They've doubled in price
I don't know if we can blame "primal" for all things violent; it sounds like a vague "It's biological / glandular" excuse.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it may be primal with your own children, but it seems more like trying to be a big man when you say that about your grandchildren. nothing must threaten them? and how do you do that when you see them less frequently than you saw your own children when they were young? this is you posturing it's nothing primal.
thedockerslad
Never do what you are told
Because as I mentioned earlier I do know the area and as soon as I saw the news reports of April's disappearance I realised she had been taken from a council estate there. It's not an area that many visitors to CAT will ever see unless they get lost. Those are my thoughts and they have as much validity as yours or anyone else posting on these bulletin boards.
thedockerslad
Never do what you are told
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I don't think it's even that: I just don't think that the mindset that goes with sexually abusing/murdering a child and that that goes with considering the consequences of the act fit together in any way. Most of us wouldn't contemplate doing such a thing, mostly because it is completely repugnant to us, but - for some at least - because the thought of being caught and punished for it is intolerable. But the few - and it is only a few - who do go on to commit such deeds...well, I think they've closed off the part of their mind that would enable them to feel shame or fear at the consequences.
I don't honestly think the harshness of the punishment represents a significant deterrent for the kind of person who'd do this sort of thing - though it is there, of course, to serve other purposes, namely retribution and keeping someone like that out of society where he might do exactly the same thing again.
I find myself trying to figure out how people like this think - likewise with Stuart Hazell - and I simply can't. I am sure there must be a valid psychological explanation for the behaviours beyond "werl, they're just evil" (which seems a bit conveniently glib to me), but I don't really understand what it is. I expect someone's written a PhD thesis on it, if I could really be bothered to do some research...
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think it's pretty fucking disrespectful that you can choose to use the suffering of a community to make some kind of cheap class-based point.
There might be all kinds of reasons why people in "lower-class" parts of society might be more prone to having horrible things happen to them than those in more affluent areas (if that's even true - I don't know), but oversimplistic posturing, coupled, no doubt, with the inevitable mouthbreathing swearing and ranting that will come in response to posts like this, are nothing more than ideological jerking off over the issue.
Ahem. Potentially, perhaps. In practice, their validity has quite a lot to do with how well you express them. On the current showing, my validity-o-meter is hovering somewhere between "fuck all" and "arsebiscuits".
UrbaneFox
They've doubled in price
Existentialist:
You say "I am sure there must be a valid psychological explanation for the behaviours beyond "werl, they're just evil" (which seems a bit conveniently glib to me), but I don't really understand what it is. I expect someone's written a PhD thesis on it, if I could really be bothered to do some research..."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/peter-aylward
You say "I am sure there must be a valid psychological explanation for the behaviours beyond "werl, they're just evil" (which seems a bit conveniently glib to me), but I don't really understand what it is. I expect someone's written a PhD thesis on it, if I could really be bothered to do some research...
"http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/peter-aylward
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Bugger. It's going to be churlish of me not to now go and read some of his stuff, isn't it?Existentialist:
You say "I am sure there must be a valid psychological explanation for the behaviours beyond "werl, they're just evil" (which seems a bit conveniently glib to me), but I don't really understand what it is. I expect someone's written a PhD thesis on it, if I could really be bothered to do some research...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/peter-aylward
thedockerslad
Never do what you are told
You say lower class I say working class or proletariat. I find you disrespectful and you can shove all your stupid opinions right up your fucking arse.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Yeah, I am hovering over the "Buy now" button on Amazon, but it's £23, and I have a pile of books I've already got that I haven't read yet!It's his book, more than the Guardian piece.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Pah, semantics. You can take your political-baggage-laden labels and shove THEM where the sun doesn't shine, too - I am generally far more interested in people than posturing and labels. [ETA: I notice you conveniently omitted to note that my "lower class" label was in quotation marks - presumably acknowledging those would have restricted your ability to get all hot under your proletarian collar?]
And I'm certainly not interested in the opinions of someone who's so dogma-obsessed that no tragedy, however horrible, is beyond his desire to turn everything into his own pet hobbyhorse.
Oh, and I would have tried your suggestion, only I couldn't find any of my own opinions that I thought were stupid, and all of mine were in any case too big to fit up my own arse, despite it being not especially compact. Yours, on the other hand, fitted very nicely, and have given me a pleasant evening's farting posturing bluster around the place, in some cases causing the wallpaper to curl up and drop off. I suppose some thanks is due at least for that.
Do have a lovely evening, my proletarian little friend.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Out of curiosity do anorexicks buy food and let it rot/throw it away or do they 'save' money by not buying food?"control".
There. I've saved you £23. You owe me a pint
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I'm not really an expert on eating disorders (too close to home, perhaps), but anorexia covers a whole spectrum of behaviours, so there will be people who don't buy food, all the way through to those who cook an entire meal and then don't eat it.
trashpony
Hag
When my sister was anorexic, she had a thriving cake-making business. I believe that sort of behaviour (deliberating exposing yourself to very highly calorific foods which you then exercise control over by not even licking the bowl) is quite common
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
Very common to hoard food. Or to make big meals and watch it go cold. The control is the high.
Also watching cooking shows, looking at pictures, generally obsessing totally about it.
Also watching cooking shows, looking at pictures, generally obsessing totally about it.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
agreed entirelyI don't think it's even that: I just don't think that the mindset that goes with sexually abusing/murdering a child and that that goes with considering the consequences of the act fit together in any way. Most of us wouldn't contemplate doing such a thing, mostly because it is completely repugnant to us, but - for some at least - because the thought of being caught and punished for it is intolerable. But the few - and it is only a few - who do go on to commit such deeds...well, I think they've closed off the part of their mind that would enable them to feel shame or fear at the consequences.
I don't honestly think the harshness of the punishment represents a significant deterrent for the kind of person who'd do this sort of thing - though it is there, of course, to serve other purposes, namely retribution and keeping someone like that out of society where he might do exactly the same thing again.
I find myself trying to figure out how people like this think - likewise with Stuart Hazell - and I simply can't. I am sure there must be a valid psychological explanation for the behaviours beyond "werl, they're just evil" (which seems a bit conveniently glib to me), but I don't really understand what it is. I expect someone's written a PhD thesis on it, if I could really be bothered to do some research...
thedockerslad
Never do what you are told
UrbaneFox
They've doubled in price
He presents one case where the patient, who had a complicated start in life, undergoes what might be seen as a long, drawn-out self-massacre. Some hospital staff and family are psychologially "massacred" by the experience.
What about if existentialist was to offer friendship with benefits?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
OK, pal.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Yeah. Proles like benefits
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